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0 pointsbilekas6mo ago0 comments

The responsibility to look after the citizens basic needs such as water is on the government. Not private for-profit companies.

If they can't do their job, then we shouldn't pay our taxes ?

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dukeyukey6mo ago

You could say the same argument about food, but the system of privately owned farms moving food via privately owned logistics companies to privately owned grocery shops works very well. Yes, it's the responsibility of the state that it's citizens can acquire their needs, but that doesn't mean it has to be government owned.

graemep6mo ago

The difference being that farmers and logistics companies and shops work in a competitive market where as water in a natural monopoly.

The system does not work perfectly though. In the UK big supermarkets have monopsony power over farmers and smaller farmers are being squeezed out by big farm owners (who tend to have lower standards, especially of animal welfare).

Ericson23146mo ago

Giving how much subsidies farmers get, and they still whine all the fucking time, I would gladly nationalize them all.

Corn ethanal? Gone. Crazy EU stuff? Gone.

dukeyukey6mo ago

Collectivised agriculture has gone badly enough often enough that I'm wouldn't risk trying it.

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AngryData6mo ago

Subsidies are certainly mismanaged in numerous ways but they are the only alternative to the granary system to maintain reliable and stable food production. We used the granary system for thousands of years across the world and while it kind of worked, it also resulted in numerous famines across every culture.

andruby6mo ago

Just trying to learn more. What "Crazy EU stuff" are being farmed at the moment?

bilekasOP6mo ago

> Yes, it's the responsibility of the state that it's citizens can acquire their needs, but that doesn't mean it has to be government owned.

Absolutely agree, it may not need to be government owned, however it should absolutely be government funded.

Cthulhu_6mo ago

> the system of privately owned farms moving food via privately owned logistics companies to privately owned grocery shops works very well.

Does it? Food prices are up, millions of people rely on food banks [0], etc. This may not be entirely down to farms or the governmental oversight thereof, but food security is not a given.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/09/britons-vuln...

Cthulhu_6mo ago

Likewise, if it's nationalised, poor water management should result in different voting behaviour, particularly in favor of parties that will improve it.

But I think the other issue there is that for the past 30 years, there hasn't been an issue with the water supply; it's invisible when it's working well, so it doesn't get attention during voting season.

IAmBroom6mo ago

More realistically, if they can't do their job, vote their bosses out of office. The bosses might be a level up from the administration, but someone elected has power to appoint and fire, surely.

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dukeyukey6mo ago

graemep6mo ago

The difference being that farmers and logistics companies and shops work in a competitive market where as water in a natural monopoly.

Ericson23146mo ago

Giving how much subsidies farmers get, and they still whine all the fucking time, I would gladly nationalize them all.

Corn ethanal? Gone. Crazy EU stuff? Gone.

dukeyukey6mo ago

Collectivised agriculture has gone badly enough often enough that I'm wouldn't risk trying it.

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AngryData6mo ago

andruby6mo ago

Just trying to learn more. What "Crazy EU stuff" are being farmed at the moment?

bilekasOP6mo ago

> Yes, it's the responsibility of the state that it's citizens can acquire their needs, but that doesn't mean it has to be government owned.

Absolutely agree, it may not need to be government owned, however it should absolutely be government funded.

Cthulhu_6mo ago

> the system of privately owned farms moving food via privately owned logistics companies to privately owned grocery shops works very well.

Does it? Food prices are up, millions of people rely on food banks [0], etc. This may not be entirely down to farms or the governmental oversight thereof, but food security is not a given.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/09/britons-vuln...

Cthulhu_6mo ago

Likewise, if it's nationalised, poor water management should result in different voting behaviour, particularly in favor of parties that will improve it.

IAmBroom6mo ago

More realistically, if they can't do their job, vote their bosses out of office. The bosses might be a level up from the administration, but someone elected has power to appoint and fire, surely.

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