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0 pointsprotocolture8mo ago0 comments

Part of that is knowing whats happening inside the country, of which they were previously using tools like discord, which have now been blocked. So the first step to using people power to make Indonesia a more open, democratic society would be to find a way to tunnel out to get and share that information. To that end the OP has created this Ask HN thread.

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breve8mo ago

Nope. The outside doesn't matter. The problem is on the inside. External websites will never fix the internal problem.

There are no technical solutions to what is fundamentally a problem of political culture.

protocoltureOP8mo ago

>External websites will never fix the internal problem.

Except the internal problem is censoring internal information sources. They can only trust external sites to remain neutral.

Not to mention that, politically and historically speaking, there are so many examples of revolutionaries needing to go overseas to organize. The Bolshies literally got started in a London pub.

breve8mo ago

Nope. They can simply talk to each other. I talk to people inside Indonesia routinely. I do it via SMS, via the phone, via iMessage, via Microsoft Teams. It's not difficult.

You're not understanding the circumstances on a practical level. All you're doing is running away from the work to solve the fundamental political problem and that avoidance won't solve anything.

protocoltureOP8mo ago

>All you're doing is running away from the work

I feel like you have some weird moral hangup with needing/using non local resources that wont be resolved with any application of logic or reference to facts. Its nice that you have formed some weird worldview but its not really reality and it doesnt fit into it, so no need to make it anyone elses problem really.

Edit: Also last time I checked iMessage and Teams are also hosted outside of indonesia.

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degamad8mo ago

How do you propose they coordinate the political activities when they can't use external communications sites/tools, and internal sites are actively monitored by an authoritarian government?

Step 1 is establishing a secure means of communication.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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breve8mo ago

Nope. The outside doesn't matter. The problem is on the inside. External websites will never fix the internal problem.

There are no technical solutions to what is fundamentally a problem of political culture.

protocoltureOP8mo ago

>External websites will never fix the internal problem.

Except the internal problem is censoring internal information sources. They can only trust external sites to remain neutral.

Not to mention that, politically and historically speaking, there are so many examples of revolutionaries needing to go overseas to organize. The Bolshies literally got started in a London pub.

breve8mo ago

Nope. They can simply talk to each other. I talk to people inside Indonesia routinely. I do it via SMS, via the phone, via iMessage, via Microsoft Teams. It's not difficult.

You're not understanding the circumstances on a practical level. All you're doing is running away from the work to solve the fundamental political problem and that avoidance won't solve anything.

protocoltureOP8mo ago

>All you're doing is running away from the work

Edit: Also last time I checked iMessage and Teams are also hosted outside of indonesia.

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degamad8mo ago

How do you propose they coordinate the political activities when they can't use external communications sites/tools, and internal sites are actively monitored by an authoritarian government?

Step 1 is establishing a secure means of communication.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse