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0 pointspetralithic8mo ago0 comments

Like I said, I'm speaking generally. There are a few like you who do, for whatever reason, but most artists hate it because they, at the most basal level, see it as a threat, especially when it came out. You should've seen what engineers on HN said about GitHub Copilot said when that first came out too.

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Palomides8mo ago

this is a claim shockingly contrary to what every artist I know, and I myself as an amateur, believe

petralithicOP8mo ago

Which artists care about coding AI like Copilot? All the ones I talked to simply do not care. Regarding economic means, I asked them whether they'd care if they lived in a post scarcity society where they could make art all day and not have to worry about their material needs being met, ie they're rich, and it turns out if that were the case, they didn't care about what people did with AI, be it image generation or code generation.

xantronix8mo ago

As an artist, I do not dread AI's artistic capabilities from a philosophical standpoint because its apparent "humanity" is a distilled average entirely divorced from the contexts in which its stolen art inputs are provided. In this way, it is categorically devoid of meaning.

As a software developer, I dread AI's capabilities to greatly accelerate the accumulation of technical debt in a codebase when used by somebody who lacks the experience to temper its outputs. I also dread AI's capabilities, at least in the short term, to separate me and others from economic opportunities.

petralithicOP8mo ago

That's because, if I'm inferring correctly what you're implying in the last sentence, you work primarily as a software developer. Try telling a working artist your first paragraph or that they shouldn't worry about AI taking their commission work for example and see what they think.

Palomides8mo ago

so here's the thing, artists like making the art, skipping the making leaves you with nothing

most artists I know are against AI because they feel it is anti-human, devaluing and alienating both the viewer and the creator

some can tolerate it as a tool, and some (as is long art tradition) will use it to offend or be contrarian, but these are not the common position

if I were a spherical cow in a vacuum with infinite time, and nobody around me had economic incentives to make things with it, I could, maybe, in the spirit of openness, tolerate knowing some people somewhere want to use it... but I still wouldn't want to see its output

petralithicOP8mo ago

They don't have to use AI though, they can leave people who do alone. But that's not what I see, I see artists getting mad at the latter and when I dig deep, it turns out they're scared it'll take their digital commission work. This has primarily been my experience talking with artists I commission as well as people online on Twitter and reddit for example.

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jclulow8mo ago

Where can I sign up for the post scarcity society? Asking for my artist friends.

petralithicOP8mo ago

You can't, hence my point about their fear being economic, not philosophical.

magicalist8mo ago

Sounds like you were maybe having some one-sided conversations with all the many artists you spoke to.

petralithicOP8mo ago

Ah yes, because you disagree with me, I must have been having one sided conversations. I suppose some people just can't accept other people's experiences without denigrating them.

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Palomides8mo ago

this is a claim shockingly contrary to what every artist I know, and I myself as an amateur, believe

petralithicOP8mo ago

xantronix8mo ago

petralithicOP8mo ago

Palomides8mo ago

so here's the thing, artists like making the art, skipping the making leaves you with nothing

most artists I know are against AI because they feel it is anti-human, devaluing and alienating both the viewer and the creator

some can tolerate it as a tool, and some (as is long art tradition) will use it to offend or be contrarian, but these are not the common position

petralithicOP8mo ago

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jclulow8mo ago

Where can I sign up for the post scarcity society? Asking for my artist friends.

petralithicOP8mo ago

You can't, hence my point about their fear being economic, not philosophical.

magicalist8mo ago

Sounds like you were maybe having some one-sided conversations with all the many artists you spoke to.

petralithicOP8mo ago

Ah yes, because you disagree with me, I must have been having one sided conversations. I suppose some people just can't accept other people's experiences without denigrating them.

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