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0 pointskomali29mo ago0 comments

I don't necessarily disagree but I was quite easily able to find more information about one of the devs: https://celenity.dev/about/

Yes it's not a name and face, but I can understand wanting to maintain separation between government identity and online identity

Here's another Ironfox dev: https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsaky/

I didn't see any others. I'm not quite clear where you're getting this idea that either of these people are PRC nationals either, or why that would really matter. The PRC is huge in the FOSS space, and it's not like I'm a huge fan of the country (I live in Taiwan) but credit where it's due.

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yupyupyups9mo ago· 3 in thread

I've been to Celenity's homepage and he seems like a privacy-conscious guy, and that's more than fine. From a user's perspective, the dilemma remains though.

When it comes to Chinese nationals, you can't expect them to be held accountable if they were to do something malicious. China hosts a lot of cyber crimimals who have had free reign for some 2 decades to target people online. Also, we don't even know who this guy really is, let alone his nationality, was Jia Tan a real name? Who knows.

komali2OP9mo ago

Don't Americans get away with cybercrimes as well? For example, probably hacking Iranian nuclear power facilities, or American companies stealing lots of data of global users to sell, or American AI companies freely scanning copyrighted materials to train their models?

yupyupyups9mo ago

The US does espionage more overtly where they offer you some value before they take your data. That's the gambit being played to avoid diplomatic issues.

They also lobby politicians to betray their own nations in favour of US (corporate) interests.

Not to blame the victim here, but many times it's other countries fault for allowing themselves to be put in this predicament.

When it comes to China or Russia, those have already strained relationships with the US and the rest of the Western world and do not mind dirty tactics. There is nothing really holding them back from engaging in covert cyber warfare.

It's different types of threats that need to be dealt with differently.

hulitu9mo ago

> China hosts a lot of cyber crimimals

Like many countries in the world like US, EU states etc.

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