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0 pointscosmicgadget8mo ago0 comments

> Conflating the people in charge with Republicans as a whole, and writing them collectively off

Maybe not "as a whole" but the majority of Republicans voted for this so at least those need to be written off. The rest have an opportunity to claim that they oppose the takeover by the personality cult. A great way to do it is to change their voter registration to anything else.

At this point, ever Republican has absolutely opted in to the current leader and platform.

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amalcon8mo ago

The problem is that, while I agree with more or less everything you say here - "writing off" approximately half the population is not going to work. You can't do that in a democracy, if only because that approximately-half actually have rather a lot of collective power. If they didn't, it wouldn't be much of a democracy.

My argument here isn't moral. It's that this class of strategy simply cannot be effective. I'm not claiming a better one, only that it's on all of us to look.

worik8mo ago

> voted for this so at least those need to be written off.

Are you willing to write off so many people? That is what the "fascists" want. Division is a core technique of erasing liberty

sleepybrett8mo ago

> Are you willing to write off so many people? That is what the "fascists" want. Division is a core technique of erasing liberty

He told them what he wanted to do, over and over and over again. Now that he's doing what he told them he was going to do (again over and over and over again) they want some respect for their objections? They voted for him knowing what he was going to do. Exactly what is there about these fucking morons that I shouldn't write off?

cosmicgadgetOP8mo ago

I'm not sure what to tell you, I can't envision myself having a productive conversation with someone who, with sound mind, supports the person responsible for the Mar a Lago documents, January 6, and the Epstein cover up.

> Division is a core technique of erasing liberty

Seems like embracing a self-coup is also a core technique of erasing liberty? Maybe both of these statements are so broad that they are meaningless.

ifyoubuildit8mo ago

What about the people who just voted against a party infrastructure that 1) insisted that a vegetable was sharp as a tack, 2) that you can't have a primary no matter how much you want it, 3) that the guy who won in 2016 is definitely working for Russia, and 4) is probably just as involved in the Epstein situation as the red team?

You chose your lesser of 2 evils, and others chose theirs. There is no acceptable choice in American presidential politics.

habinero8mo ago

You're trying to "both sides" here, but the problem is your talking points are fabricated and were never real. They're propaganda.

1. Biden was old and everyone knew it. He still got shit done. The idea that everyone thought he was great and fine is not true. That's what Republicans claimed people thought.

2. Primaries are not an official part of the election process. They are a party matter. The whole weird Republican meltdown over it is not based in fact or history.

3. Russia did interfere with the 2016 elections. There's a whole congressional report on it, by a majority Republican committee. [0]

4. I don't even know what this means. If someone did crimes, they should be held responsible. The idea that we don't want that is, frankly propaganda.

[0] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/...

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8note8mo ago

in what world is kamala harris as involved with epstein as epsteins best friend trump? she probably would have actually released the epstein files with only the victims names redacted. trump, as well, one of epsteins best friends in the whole world, who may have also had him assasinated, aint gonna be the guy to release all those files about himself. democrats have proved time and time again that they will turn on each other in an instant to prove morality while republicans all drop their morals the moment it affects their hierarchical power. wed still have some great democrat senators from the metoo era if that werent the case.

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i think people pick by name recognition rather than by lesser evil. if folks think trump is less evil than harris, theyre probably far beyond any conversation i could have. as south park puts it, not even satan wants to have sex with him.

cosmicgadgetOP8mo ago

I mean, exactly. If they live in a reality where Jan 6 is less evil than an incumbent president getting the automatic nomination, it's going to be hard to have a productive conversation.

If, in their minds, Harris and Trump are somehow equally implicated in the Epstein scandal, all I can say is "lol, have a good one".

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amalcon8mo ago

My argument here isn't moral. It's that this class of strategy simply cannot be effective. I'm not claiming a better one, only that it's on all of us to look.

worik8mo ago

> voted for this so at least those need to be written off.

Are you willing to write off so many people? That is what the "fascists" want. Division is a core technique of erasing liberty

sleepybrett8mo ago

> Are you willing to write off so many people? That is what the "fascists" want. Division is a core technique of erasing liberty

cosmicgadgetOP8mo ago

> Division is a core technique of erasing liberty

Seems like embracing a self-coup is also a core technique of erasing liberty? Maybe both of these statements are so broad that they are meaningless.

ifyoubuildit8mo ago

You chose your lesser of 2 evils, and others chose theirs. There is no acceptable choice in American presidential politics.

habinero8mo ago

You're trying to "both sides" here, but the problem is your talking points are fabricated and were never real. They're propaganda.

1. Biden was old and everyone knew it. He still got shit done. The idea that everyone thought he was great and fine is not true. That's what Republicans claimed people thought.

2. Primaries are not an official part of the election process. They are a party matter. The whole weird Republican meltdown over it is not based in fact or history.

3. Russia did interfere with the 2016 elections. There's a whole congressional report on it, by a majority Republican committee. [0]

4. I don't even know what this means. If someone did crimes, they should be held responsible. The idea that we don't want that is, frankly propaganda.

[0] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/...

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8note8mo ago

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cosmicgadgetOP8mo ago

I mean, exactly. If they live in a reality where Jan 6 is less evil than an incumbent president getting the automatic nomination, it's going to be hard to have a productive conversation.

If, in their minds, Harris and Trump are somehow equally implicated in the Epstein scandal, all I can say is "lol, have a good one".

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