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0 points9dev10mo ago0 comments

You can never know whether anyone else is actually conscious, or just appearing to be. This shared definition of reality was always on shaky ground, given that we don’t even have the same sensory input, and "now" isn’t the same concept everywhere. You are a collection of processes that work together to keep you alive. Part of that is something that collects your history to form a distinctive narrative of yourself, and something that lives in the moment and handles immediate action. This latter part is solidly backed up by experiments; Say you feel pain that varies over time. If the pain level is an 8 for 14 consecutive minutes, and a 2 for 1 minute at the end, you’ll remember the whole session as level 4. In practical terms, this means a physician can make a procedure be perceived as less painful by causing you wholly unnecessary mild pain for a short duration after the actual work is done.

This also means that there’s at least two versions of you inside your mind; one that experiences, and one that remembers. There’s likely others, too.

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prmph10mo ago· 3 in thread

Yes, but that is not an illusion. There's a reason I am perceiving something this was vs that other way. Perception is the most fundamental reality there is.

9devOP10mo ago

And yet that perception is completely flawed! The narrative part of your brain will twist your recollection of the past so it fits with your beliefs and makes you feel good. Your senses make stuff up all the time, and apply all sorts of corrections you’re not aware of. By blinking rapidly, you can slow down your subjective experience of time.

There is no such thing as objective truth, at least not accessible to humans.

galangalalgol10mo ago

When I used the word illusion, I meant the illusion of a self, at least a singular cohesive one as you are pointing out. It is an illusion with both utility and costs. Most animals don't seem to have meta cognitive processes that would give rise to such an illusion, and the ones that do are all social. Some of them have remarkably few synapses. Corvids for instance, we are rapidly approaching models the size of their brains and our models have no need for anything but linguistic processing, the visual and tactile processing burdens are quite large. An LLM is not like the models Corvids use, but given the flexibility to change it's own weights permanently, plasticity could have it adapt to unintended purposes, like someone with brain damage learning to use a different section of their brain to perform a task it wasn't structured for (though less efficiently).

prmph10mo ago

> The narrative part of your brain will twist your recollection of the past so it fits with your beliefs and makes you feel good.

But that's what I mean. Even if we accept that the brain has "twisted" something, that twisting is the reality. In order words, it is TRUE that my brain has twisted something into something else (and not another thing) for me to experience.

root_axis10mo ago

Nothing in your reply here seems to address the question of what it actually means for consciousness to be an illusion.

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