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0 pointspier258mo ago0 comments

> What are you missing?

Everything else needed to make a backend app.

At the very least, Node should provide fundamental pieces like database drivers. Currently the best PG driver[1] depends on a single guy.

Bun already provides its own PG driver [2] and Jarred has written they will keep investing into more built-in APIs.

[1] https://github.com/porsager/postgres

[2] https://bun.com/docs/api/sql

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nailer8mo ago

> Currently the best PG driver[1] depends on a single guy.

Definitely a problem, but funding good Postgres/MongoDB/SQLite should be handled by AWS, Microsoft, Google, and other orgs that sell database services.

anarazel8mo ago

>> Currently the best PG driver[1] depends on a single guy.

> Definitely a problem, but funding good Postgres/MongoDB/SQLite should be handled by AWS, Microsoft, Google, and other orgs that sell database services.

A good chunk of PG development is done by employees of those companies (*). Of course they could (and probably should) always do more. But even if they invest more, it's not obvious that the marginal effort is best invested in some language's drivers...

Disclaimer: I'm paid by one of those big companies.

nailer8mo ago

I’d argue that JS/TS is more popular than ‘some language’ would suggest. If there’s a problem that affects 19% of customers it should be fixed.

I am not saying this problem exists and 19% is a made up number, the grandparent post seems to think there is some kind of problem.

pier25OP8mo ago

You don't think depending on dozens or even hundreds of NPM packages with a single maintainer is an issue?

Just as an example, Express depends on 25 modules with a single maintainer.

https://npmgraph.js.org/?q=express

Obviously a router is a fraction of what's needed for any non trivial backend project.

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pier25OP8mo ago

Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that the problem is there.

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nailer8mo ago

> Currently the best PG driver[1] depends on a single guy.

Definitely a problem, but funding good Postgres/MongoDB/SQLite should be handled by AWS, Microsoft, Google, and other orgs that sell database services.

anarazel8mo ago

>> Currently the best PG driver[1] depends on a single guy.

> Definitely a problem, but funding good Postgres/MongoDB/SQLite should be handled by AWS, Microsoft, Google, and other orgs that sell database services.

Disclaimer: I'm paid by one of those big companies.

nailer8mo ago

I’d argue that JS/TS is more popular than ‘some language’ would suggest. If there’s a problem that affects 19% of customers it should be fixed.

I am not saying this problem exists and 19% is a made up number, the grandparent post seems to think there is some kind of problem.

pier25OP8mo ago

You don't think depending on dozens or even hundreds of NPM packages with a single maintainer is an issue?

Just as an example, Express depends on 25 modules with a single maintainer.

https://npmgraph.js.org/?q=express

Obviously a router is a fraction of what's needed for any non trivial backend project.

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pier25OP8mo ago

Maybe. Doesn't change the fact that the problem is there.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse