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0 pointsfusslo10mo ago0 comments

I've been thinking about this lately.

While we engineers understand how to judge and evaluate AI solutions, I am not sure Business Owners (BO) care.

BO's are ok with a certain percentage of bugs/rework/inefficiency/instability. And the tradeoff of eliminating (or marginalizing) Engineering may be worth the increased percentage of unfavorable outcomes.

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ponector10mo ago· 3 in thread

>>While we engineers understand how to judge and evaluate AI solutions

Usually no one really care. Target is to close a ticket, not to make a good software.

"Works fine on my machine" - heard this many times. But user don't have a beefy m4 pro machine with ultra fast fiber. No one care.

fussloOP10mo ago

Yeah but the ‘works fine on my machine’ is usually said by jr/inept devs

I havent heard that around serious engineers

readthenotes110mo ago

Isn't that the no true Scotsman fallacy?

I'm overjoyed that you only encountered serious "engineers".

My professional experience is that at least 3/4 of the people riding software should not be because they write horrible code horribly.

But since I live in a place where you have to pass licensing exams to call yourself an "engineer", Maybe my experience is different than yours

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ponector10mo ago

Their title and salary are serious, though.

evklein10mo ago· 3 in thread

Probably depends on BO/stakeholder as well. B2B solution that has a low risk of killing anyone? Maybe fuck it, let the model have its way.

Technology that controls software that keeps people alive, controls infrastructure, etc., uhhhh I don't think so. I guess we're just waiting for the first news story of someone's pacemaker going haywire and shocking them to death because the monitoring code was vibed through to production.

yencabulator10mo ago

Think more business risk than risk to humans.

B2B AI LLM vibe-SaaS that has a 10% chance to become profitable and a 10% chance to gift away all money invested into the business ever while leaving founders on the receiving end of 100 lawsuits.

fussloOP10mo ago

Isn't the sector for software that is life-critical really small? medical devices, and maybe some control software? Oh and probably defense too

I don't feel much better ( as someone who has spent their career in consumer electronics )

evklein10mo ago

> Isn't the sector for software that is life-critical really small?

I think it's large. Think about the software that goes into something like air travel - ATC, weather tracking, the actual control software for the aircraft... I am aware that nothing is perfect, but I'd at least like to know that a person wrote those things who could be held accountable.

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nunez10mo ago

Precisely. Businesses are okay with bugs if it helps them enter a market faster or stave off competition. Bug fixes are mostly considered maintainancd which is outsourced or "cost-optimized"

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9 comments · 3 top-level

ponector10mo ago· 3 in thread

>>While we engineers understand how to judge and evaluate AI solutions

Usually no one really care. Target is to close a ticket, not to make a good software.

"Works fine on my machine" - heard this many times. But user don't have a beefy m4 pro machine with ultra fast fiber. No one care.

fussloOP10mo ago

Yeah but the ‘works fine on my machine’ is usually said by jr/inept devs

I havent heard that around serious engineers

readthenotes110mo ago

Isn't that the no true Scotsman fallacy?

I'm overjoyed that you only encountered serious "engineers".

My professional experience is that at least 3/4 of the people riding software should not be because they write horrible code horribly.

But since I live in a place where you have to pass licensing exams to call yourself an "engineer", Maybe my experience is different than yours

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ponector10mo ago

Their title and salary are serious, though.

evklein10mo ago· 3 in thread

Probably depends on BO/stakeholder as well. B2B solution that has a low risk of killing anyone? Maybe fuck it, let the model have its way.

yencabulator10mo ago

Think more business risk than risk to humans.

B2B AI LLM vibe-SaaS that has a 10% chance to become profitable and a 10% chance to gift away all money invested into the business ever while leaving founders on the receiving end of 100 lawsuits.

fussloOP10mo ago

Isn't the sector for software that is life-critical really small? medical devices, and maybe some control software? Oh and probably defense too

I don't feel much better ( as someone who has spent their career in consumer electronics )

evklein10mo ago

> Isn't the sector for software that is life-critical really small?

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nunez10mo ago

Precisely. Businesses are okay with bugs if it helps them enter a market faster or stave off competition. Bug fixes are mostly considered maintainancd which is outsourced or "cost-optimized"

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse