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0 pointsJustExAWS10mo ago0 comments

Those were always my goalposts - web apps sucked when Microsoft tried to do it with Windows CE, RIM tried to do it, Palm and even Apple. They suck on mobile, electron apps sucked, etc

If the only reason web apps aren’t on iPhones is because of Safari and if there are other browser engines available for Android and Chrome is so much better, wouldn’t you expect to see great PWAs on Android? Especially with it being 70% of the world wide market?

> Bullshit. It has nothing to do with performance, it has everything to do with Apple's abusive business practices not allowing any other web view on their platform, and purposely hobbling their browser for anti-competitive greedy business reasons.

It doesn’t have anything to do with performance of iOS devices that’s true - because Apple doesn’t make any devices with substandard hardware with bad browser performance. But there are plenty of crappy Android device (most of them by sales volume) that do have subpar hardware performance.

But native apps are more performant than web based apps and web wrappers. Are you denying that?

> I didn't say the current US government, the DOJ under the previous administration is the one that filed the charges against Apple. But I know you aren't arguing in good faith, so maybe we should just agree to disagree.

One of us haven’t checked to see what the DOJ’s complaints are about - none of which are alternate browser engines…

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leptons10mo ago· 2 in thread

>web apps sucked when Microsoft tried to do it with Windows CE, RIM tried to do it, Palm

Wow, that's quite the reach. Again, bad faith.

>wouldn’t you expect to see great PWAs on Android?

I do, YMMV. I even created one myself. But again, bad faith from you.

>because Apple doesn’t make any devices with substandard hardware

"You're holding it wrong" proves you wrong.

>that do have subpar hardware performance.

None of this is about a hardware dick-measuring contest, but you sure are trying to move the goalposts that way. Again, bad faith from you.

>But native apps are more performant than web based apps and web wrappers. Are you denying that?

This is another logical fallacy. I'm done with you, you're comments are not grounded in anything except your hatred of anything not Apple.

>One of us haven’t checked to see what the DOJ’s complaints are about - none of which are alternate browser engines…

Again, just more bullshit from you.

"The complaint also alleges that Apple’s conduct extends beyond these examples, affecting web browsers, video communication, news subscriptions, entertainment, automotive services, advertising, location services, and more. Apple has every incentive to extend and expand its course of conduct to acquire and maintain power over next-frontier devices and technologies."

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s...

The "affecting web browsers" part is exactly the thing I described.

Apple already lost that exact thing in Europe, because Europe sued them for it too, and now you can use alternative browser engines on iOS in Europe. Apple's going to lose that one in the US too.

You really don't need to reply. I'm just going to give you canned response from here on out because I'm not wasting any more of my time with an Apple shill.

JustExAWSOP10mo ago

So you have magically become the first person in history who has created a web app that is just as performant as a native app with local assets, written in a language that is compiled down to assembly and delivered as such (iOS) or even close enough in the case of Android native apps these days (yes I know Java has come a long way, that’s just the point)?

You should be working for Facebook or Google, they both came to the conclusion that their apps should use native frameworks for performance reasons…

It very much is about hardware. Most Android phones suck statistically (yes I know there are some performant ones. But that’s not what most of the world is buying) and your web app is not going to perform well on them.

By the way, what’s the ARR on your web app? Monthly active users? Have you tested it on one of the low end free phones?

And it’s not me being an Apple shill, your web app probably sucks like every other web app that has ever existed on mobile. I wouldn’t say the same about a native Android app.

leptons10mo ago

Not even reading your response.

You really don't need to reply. I'm just going to give you canned response from here on out because I'm not wasting any more of my time with an Apple shill.

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leptons10mo ago· 2 in thread

>web apps sucked when Microsoft tried to do it with Windows CE, RIM tried to do it, Palm

Wow, that's quite the reach. Again, bad faith.

>wouldn’t you expect to see great PWAs on Android?

I do, YMMV. I even created one myself. But again, bad faith from you.

>because Apple doesn’t make any devices with substandard hardware

"You're holding it wrong" proves you wrong.

>that do have subpar hardware performance.

None of this is about a hardware dick-measuring contest, but you sure are trying to move the goalposts that way. Again, bad faith from you.

>But native apps are more performant than web based apps and web wrappers. Are you denying that?

This is another logical fallacy. I'm done with you, you're comments are not grounded in anything except your hatred of anything not Apple.

>One of us haven’t checked to see what the DOJ’s complaints are about - none of which are alternate browser engines…

Again, just more bullshit from you.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s...

The "affecting web browsers" part is exactly the thing I described.

Apple already lost that exact thing in Europe, because Europe sued them for it too, and now you can use alternative browser engines on iOS in Europe. Apple's going to lose that one in the US too.

You really don't need to reply. I'm just going to give you canned response from here on out because I'm not wasting any more of my time with an Apple shill.

JustExAWSOP10mo ago

You should be working for Facebook or Google, they both came to the conclusion that their apps should use native frameworks for performance reasons…

By the way, what’s the ARR on your web app? Monthly active users? Have you tested it on one of the low end free phones?

And it’s not me being an Apple shill, your web app probably sucks like every other web app that has ever existed on mobile. I wouldn’t say the same about a native Android app.

leptons10mo ago

Not even reading your response.

You really don't need to reply. I'm just going to give you canned response from here on out because I'm not wasting any more of my time with an Apple shill.

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