Bcachefs to be removed from mainline Linux kernel (opens in new tab)

(lore.kernel.org)

30 pointsrastignack9mo ago32 comments

32 comments

itvision9mo ago

I've talked to Linus personally about the entire issue and yes, in 6.18 bcachefs is getting dropped.

I cannot quote him because it's private. Kent is also aware of his decision.

rekoil8mo ago

Sad to see, I was excited to switch to bcachefs on a new setup.

throwaway28329mo ago

Good riddance!

tucnak9mo ago

What is this FUD or what? I read the thread in full, and removing bcachefs had only been suggested in view of otherwise regular bcachefs drama.

mzaccari9mo ago

I think the op was trying to highlight this nugget in one of the thread emails[0]:

>And now, I just got an email from Linus saying "we're now talking about git rm -rf in 6.18", after previously saying we just needed a go-between.

Edit to add that LWN noted this at the end of the "The rest of the 6.17 merge window" post[1].

[0]: https://lwn.net/ml/all/5ip2wzfo32zs7uznaunpqj2bjmz3log4yrrde...

[1]: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1032095/06b4e3b1b30fe2a9/

rastignackOP9mo ago

Mr Torvalds has already said “we’re done”.

And Mr Overstreet’s behavior is still unprofessional.

I think this thread is really insightful to teach highly skilled individuals that people skills are as important as technical proficiency.

I have been this arrogant and abrasive dev. It’s bad and learning how to behave, mainly through parenting, was a net positive for my career.

People, please read and learn from this thread.

tucnak9mo ago

Is this a joke? Linus literally, and routinely, refers to other people's work as "garbage."

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unquietwiki9mo ago

I think OP is expecting that to be the outcome, given the roughly 2/3rds "Kent is (insert insinuation)" vs the 1/3rd "your stuff works, please stick around".

I worked for a guy that was looking forward to this work five years ago for a business product need. I'm glad to see it's made some headway in that time, but I have to wonder what it'd take to salvage the introduction of it to the Linux public at large. How do you even reset this mess?

tucnak9mo ago

I think nothing will happen, and Linus himself will eventually be whipped into place. Kent has come a long way in terms of communications, and all this talk about preserving sacrament of "collaborative community of kernel dev" reads real rich. The fact of the matter: bcachefs is the only modern + reliable filesystem in Linux right now. To throw it out—is madness, frankly. git rm -rf would be a show of weakness... basically telling everybody that they don't care about technical merit anymore. But really nothing will happen because Linus will eventually get whipped into place. The software is too good for this petty trickery to take place.

Brian_K_White9mo ago

Linus whipped into place.

The astounding ignorance of some people...

Failure to even understand, let alone practice, any form of release engineering hygene IS a failure of technical merit.

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unquietwiki9mo ago

Well, he already lost T'so, and I recall he's pretty high-up on the command chain. This appears to not be about technical merit anymore, vs existing as a "co-worker" with other kernel peers.

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jonahbenton9mo ago

Heh, agree. It feels like a part 1, where Linus starts part 2 with- ok, had enough, you're out- and the rest is fallout.

tucnak9mo ago

Yeah, like a hardcore porn flick right... I don't think so.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

32 comments

itvision9mo ago

I've talked to Linus personally about the entire issue and yes, in 6.18 bcachefs is getting dropped.

I cannot quote him because it's private. Kent is also aware of his decision.

rekoil8mo ago

Sad to see, I was excited to switch to bcachefs on a new setup.

throwaway28329mo ago

Good riddance!

tucnak9mo ago

What is this FUD or what? I read the thread in full, and removing bcachefs had only been suggested in view of otherwise regular bcachefs drama.

mzaccari9mo ago

I think the op was trying to highlight this nugget in one of the thread emails[0]:

>And now, I just got an email from Linus saying "we're now talking about git rm -rf in 6.18", after previously saying we just needed a go-between.

Edit to add that LWN noted this at the end of the "The rest of the 6.17 merge window" post[1].

[0]: https://lwn.net/ml/all/5ip2wzfo32zs7uznaunpqj2bjmz3log4yrrde...

[1]: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1032095/06b4e3b1b30fe2a9/

rastignackOP9mo ago

Mr Torvalds has already said “we’re done”.

And Mr Overstreet’s behavior is still unprofessional.

I think this thread is really insightful to teach highly skilled individuals that people skills are as important as technical proficiency.

I have been this arrogant and abrasive dev. It’s bad and learning how to behave, mainly through parenting, was a net positive for my career.

People, please read and learn from this thread.

tucnak9mo ago

Is this a joke? Linus literally, and routinely, refers to other people's work as "garbage."

2 more replies

unquietwiki9mo ago

I think OP is expecting that to be the outcome, given the roughly 2/3rds "Kent is (insert insinuation)" vs the 1/3rd "your stuff works, please stick around".

tucnak9mo ago

Brian_K_White9mo ago

Linus whipped into place.

The astounding ignorance of some people...

Failure to even understand, let alone practice, any form of release engineering hygene IS a failure of technical merit.

1 more reply

unquietwiki9mo ago

Well, he already lost T'so, and I recall he's pretty high-up on the command chain. This appears to not be about technical merit anymore, vs existing as a "co-worker" with other kernel peers.

1 more reply

jonahbenton9mo ago

Heh, agree. It feels like a part 1, where Linus starts part 2 with- ok, had enough, you're out- and the rest is fallout.

tucnak9mo ago

Yeah, like a hardcore porn flick right... I don't think so.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse