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0 pointsfmbb9mo ago0 comments

It is the British monarchy that is performative, not their democracy.

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Ironically, while I am absolutely not a monarchist, it provides a kind of stability to British democracy, because it mostly transcends party politics, unlike other presidential systems.

Indeed, the founding fathers of the US identified political parties as a threat to their republic.

zdragnar9mo ago

And yet, there were defacto political parties in the delightfully misnamed federalist and anti-federalists. It was this divide that led to the first political parties.

MattPalmer10869mo ago

Oh, they cannot be avoided really, except by a system where party allegiance cannot influence the choice (like hereditary power).

mathiaspoint9mo ago

Arrow's theorem would cause them to emerge even then.

JumpCrisscross9mo ago

> this divide that led to the first political parties

Maybe in Britain. Parties were definitely a thing going back to Roman politics.

zdragnar9mo ago

No, I meant in the newborn US. The OP founding fathers reference is Hamilton and the Federalists who feared the harms of political parties, but ultimately couldn't reconcile with the anti-federalists who ultimately formed the democratic-republican party.

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MattPalmer10869mo ago

Ironically, while I am absolutely not a monarchist, it provides a kind of stability to British democracy, because it mostly transcends party politics, unlike other presidential systems.

Indeed, the founding fathers of the US identified political parties as a threat to their republic.

zdragnar9mo ago

And yet, there were defacto political parties in the delightfully misnamed federalist and anti-federalists. It was this divide that led to the first political parties.

MattPalmer10869mo ago

Oh, they cannot be avoided really, except by a system where party allegiance cannot influence the choice (like hereditary power).

mathiaspoint9mo ago

Arrow's theorem would cause them to emerge even then.

JumpCrisscross9mo ago

> this divide that led to the first political parties

Maybe in Britain. Parties were definitely a thing going back to Roman politics.

zdragnar9mo ago

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