Nukes, Nubs And Coners: The Social Hierarchy Aboard A Nuclear Submarine (2020) (opens in new tab)

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34 pointsxrayarx9mo ago18 comments

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Why are there firearms on the submarine? Do they open the hatch and shoot at the opponent's submarine in case the torpedos don't work?

potato37328429mo ago

The idea that a navy vessel wouldn't be equipped to provide its own security in port or dispatch an armed team on a launch is a non-starter.

John238329mo ago

Because submarines are still ships that can be boarded. This is more for defense of the crew vs offense.

FirmwareBurner9mo ago

Firing rounds inside a nuclear submarine? Isn't it like firing a gun inside a plane?

rtkwe9mo ago

It's definitely a thing you don't do without good reason (enemy boarding action/mutiny) but remember subs are designed to survive nearby explosions underwater; there's redundancy and there's massive amounts of time spent training damage control where your repair or work around damaged systems.

John238329mo ago

Yes. What's wrong with that?

A 9mm, buck shot, or even a 556 (which they are not using on a sub) is not piercing the pressure hull of a submarine. That's before considering all the other mass of metal and matter within the sub.

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happytoexplain9mo ago

I mean, I guess there's more risk of ricochets and equipment damage on a sub than a ship? Regardless, a lot of "don't do that" things become "you might have to do that" things in a combat scenario.

exar08159mo ago

There are a lot of things that don't react well to bullets in a submarine. One Jack Ryan comes to mind...

fred_is_fred9mo ago

Primarily in case a KGB agent (incognito as a cook's mate) wants to stop a mutiny lead by a group of officers and aided by the CIA.

praptak9mo ago

Possibility of mutiny, sabotage or just someone becoming dangerous because of personal conflicts or mental illness.

brudgers9mo ago

If that's what the mission requires, yes of course.

Of course, other aspects of other missions might also require firearms.

And since they have fucking nukes, all possible scales of violence are literally on the table.

charlieo889mo ago

I grew up watching Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea... those guys were always needing to break out the small arms. Apparently lots of rowdy sea critters looking to get in the boat.

dbalatero9mo ago

Defense while docked at port.

royskee9mo ago

BBC made a fascinating documentary called Perisher on the qualifying process for sub captains in the Royal Navy - it's available on YouTube (in the US at least) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1LF2I3fTbY

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18 comments

FirmwareBurner9mo ago

Why are there firearms on the submarine? Do they open the hatch and shoot at the opponent's submarine in case the torpedos don't work?

potato37328429mo ago

The idea that a navy vessel wouldn't be equipped to provide its own security in port or dispatch an armed team on a launch is a non-starter.

John238329mo ago

Because submarines are still ships that can be boarded. This is more for defense of the crew vs offense.

FirmwareBurner9mo ago

Firing rounds inside a nuclear submarine? Isn't it like firing a gun inside a plane?

rtkwe9mo ago

John238329mo ago

Yes. What's wrong with that?

A 9mm, buck shot, or even a 556 (which they are not using on a sub) is not piercing the pressure hull of a submarine. That's before considering all the other mass of metal and matter within the sub.

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happytoexplain9mo ago

I mean, I guess there's more risk of ricochets and equipment damage on a sub than a ship? Regardless, a lot of "don't do that" things become "you might have to do that" things in a combat scenario.

exar08159mo ago

There are a lot of things that don't react well to bullets in a submarine. One Jack Ryan comes to mind...

fred_is_fred9mo ago

Primarily in case a KGB agent (incognito as a cook's mate) wants to stop a mutiny lead by a group of officers and aided by the CIA.

praptak9mo ago

Possibility of mutiny, sabotage or just someone becoming dangerous because of personal conflicts or mental illness.

brudgers9mo ago

If that's what the mission requires, yes of course.

Of course, other aspects of other missions might also require firearms.

And since they have fucking nukes, all possible scales of violence are literally on the table.

charlieo889mo ago

I grew up watching Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea... those guys were always needing to break out the small arms. Apparently lots of rowdy sea critters looking to get in the boat.

dbalatero9mo ago

Defense while docked at port.

royskee9mo ago

op00to9mo ago

Ha ha, poop suit!

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