Actually, mostly since Wxp was slow as a dog compared to W98, because W9x still had direct control of the hardware rather than the sluggishness-inducing Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) that NT has always had inserted between the OS and the devices.
W95 was noticeably faster than W98 was too, and both of course move like lightning-speed compared to W10 whose 64bit drags compared to W10-32bit, and W11 is more embarrassing as it continues to further slow with each update (almost every month now rather than only once per year), which makes W10 seem like it was a quite a bit less encumbered than W11.
I cut down Win95 to run from a 16MB SSD in 1996, paid for by PC Pro magazine. I knew that OS inside out.
Around the turn of the century my travel laptop was an IBM Thinkpad 701C, the famous "Butterfly". 40MB RAM and a 75MHz 486DX4.
Win95 was great on it, better than OS/2, but the thing is Win95 had a max of 4 IP addresses. In total.
I had a dialup modem (1), an Ethernet card (2), AOL for toll-free dialup (different stack, so 3) and Direct Cable Connection (4).
Add a different modem or Ethernet card and it couldn't bind TCP/IP to it. No more addresses.
I tried NT 4 but it had no power management, no PnP, no FAT32.
I tried Win2K. Not fun in 40MB of nonstandard (and so vastly expensive to upgrade) RAM.
I tried 98SE. Too big, too slow.
So I cut it down as hard as possible with 98Lite.
(Still around, remarkably: https://www.litepc.com/98lite.html )
No IE, no themes, no built in media stuff, no Active Desktop, and it ran reasonably on a 486 in 40MB of RAM.
And it supported more IP addresses!
But it was hard work to get it working, and it was never entirely stable.
No. I reject your statement based on considerable personal experience and benchmark testing.
98 was considerably heavier than 95.
Just look at the ISO files!
95 OSR 2.1 with USB support:
https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-95/osr-21
385MB.
98SE:
https://archive.org/download/windows-98-se-retail
622MB.
98 is a significantly bigger and more complex OS.
Same design, but a lot more stuff piled on top.
Back in the day there used to be custom builds of Windows 98 that had Internet Explorer completely stripped out. Those were much closer to Win95's performance.
Yes, SP1 wasn't horrible if you could get it (but who can download something that big on dial-up?), but it still was not great.
But boy are they sure fast.
But I wouldn’t daily drive one.
I think part of MS issue is that they keep bundling and pushing "crap useful to some minority" (as well as unwanted ads and features too) by default into ostensibly "your" system and making it hard to focus on what you want it for.
If you want it to focus on gaming performance... well it's more about arcane tweaks rather than having a turn off the shit button.
Maybe the coming Win10 EoL will see a few % points jump to Bazzite or some other linux gaming-focussed distro.
Many of my Windows memories from those days were of running Spybot Search and Destroy for friends and family.
Vista was much better in that regard but had issues in performance of the UI (chasing compositing interfaces that Mac and Linux had for years before) and the annoyance of UAC. Both were good ideas but required buy-in from hardware and software vendors that was slow to arrive.
I remember the regular cleaning sessions I had to do for my mother. Which stopped once I got her a Mac mini.
WDM made graphics driver crashes not take down the OS plus no more window tearing
Shadow copies gave you file history (time machine without another drive)
No more running with full admin privileges all the time. Bitlocker was introduced
Yes, compatibility issues affected people to various degrees, and yes it required good hardware to run well. Intel's onboard graphics / 5400 rpm drives we're not kind to it. And there were too many editions
With good hardware Vista was peak Windows. I could go back to Vista but I couldn't go back to XP, there's too much we take for granted now
It really wasn't. You can say XP was an enhancement of 2000, but Vista was it's own thing, they reworked a lot of the NT Kernel and moved stuff like audio and video drivers from kernel space to user space, which brough increased security and stability, but broke compatibility on hardware that didn't bring updated drivers which pissed off a lot of early adopters of vista.
> WDM made graphics driver crashes not take down the OS plus no more window tearing
It made it more stable, I don't care about tearing and stuff, but it robbed me of full-screen DOS windows and the ability to toggle a window to/from full-screen with Alt+Enter. I used that a lot.
> Shadow copies gave you file history (time machine without another drive)
But it's no use if the OS isn't stable enough to trust. So I kept my important stuff on servers, so lost this.
The same applies to openSUSE today.
> No more running with full admin privileges all the time.
A small win, for standalone machines.
> Bitlocker was introduced
Life is too short.
> yes it required good hardware to run well.
Never mind that. Nothing except the highest-end premium kit had the specs to run it well. You needed 2GB of RAM for half decent performance but new kit was shipping with 512MB.
> With good hardware Vista was peak Windows.
Nah. Not as bad as generally held, but not great.
> I could go back to Vista but I couldn't go back to XP, there's too much we take for granted now
I did:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/24/dangerous_pleasures_w...
It was glorious.
It did have faster file copying though. I'd say it had 64-bit for more memory addressing but that was actually available with XP as well.
It should have been represented in this article and it wasn't. Truly that's a crime against those who have not had the opportunity to experience it.
I have the Windows XP tour music. I keep it in my library and listen to it. You can find WAV files if you know where to look. I keep the OOBE music in the same album (both the original and remastered versions).
Through this incredible multimedia presentation I had the opportunity to learn about wizards and how Windows XP is best for business. I think there was also something in there about how to open a window. Also, it had that beautiful compass icon and those unmarked Luna-style colored buttons that were used to select each section of the tour. They were my favorite part.
I miss those days.
I modified the WMA file that played during the XP OOBE on an image that was rolling out to one of my Customers. I knew who would be deploying most of the PCs. At a point about halfway thru the piece, when it gets kind of quiet and the melodic instruments fall away (right before the chanting bit, if I remember correctly) I mixed my voice quietly whispering the deployment person's name a couple of times. Sadly, I never heard of they noticed their name in the music or not. People moved on and I never got a chance to ask before they left.
In any case as you can see, experiencing this is like seeing the image of God on earth, like stepping into the holy of holies, the innermost part of the temple where God's presence on Earth is present. The Windows XP Tour was handed down by God to Moses and kept in a great ark, and it was lost when the second temple was ransacked. Then in the year 1999, Microsoft employees found it while on holiday and brought it back to the states. The rest is history.
I keep an XP VM in case I need to commune with The Tour.
I hope commercializing reddit, fb, twitter and internet as whole will push people to join smaller forums again.
That was Windows 2000. Everything else was just downhill from there :) (well, Windows XP SP 2 deserves a special mention)
> Windows Whistler/2002/XP logo design concepts by Frog Design
I like how there's a vestige of “Windows 2002” in the little “Version 2002” on the bottom right of all the XP RTM packaging, which disappeared from the later SP2-integrated boxes: https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/-mm-/0e422e4a7e951800d133d6d73...
Encarta quite honestly had a beautiful typography heavy, high contrast interface, one that still shapes my design/ui preferences to this day.
If anyone needs a new wallpaper for the week.. https://archive.org/details/bliss-600dpi png and https://archive.org/details/bliss-600dpi_202006 tiff
Neat. That spot on Route 12/121† is one of my favorite places to take people when they visit the Bay Area. My pic from a few months ago: https://i.imgur.com/e2jbdkx.jpeg
One thing that puzzles me though is how the story is always told that Charles O'Rear was on his way from Napa to San Francisco, i.e. westbound on the highway, but having been there it feels like it could only have been the other way around due to the angle of the POV compared to the road and the fact that when you're eastbound there's a big left-hand curve which commands your sightline to the left so it's easy to keep looking past the road and straight into Bliss: https://www.vintag.es/2022/08/bliss.html
†That particular stretch of road is both: https://cahighways.org/ROUTE012.html https://cahighways.org/ROUTE121.html
Windows XP was about the time I started moving away from Windows more definitively, even as a secondary OS. It was the product activation crap. My OS on my computer should serve ME, not be beholden to the vendor after I put it on. Of course, we didn't realize back then how bad things could/would get...
So for that reason, I'm not really nostalgic about Windows XP, or subsequent versions, the way some people are.
Although it is interesting to see what many now consider to be the bad ideas of Windows 8, get their start in "Neptune"...
To me, Windows 2000 was peak Windows. Windows XP introduced activation, which I find an annoying hindrance, and weird UI decisions in the form of the Fisher-Price Luna interface and the search dog. It was all downhill from there, though Windows 7 was solid and I greatly appreciate the introduction of WSL in Windows 10.
Exactly! Well said.
It was shockingly better than Win98/ME but not if you were already running NT. Then, it was a step backwards.
I haven't looked back switching to Linux back then.
I recall a handful of tools that anyone could use (I was 10-11 and could figure it out) to break and bluescreen Win 98 computers remotely.
10-11 year old me liked the XP theme, the icons were so “fresh”, nearly everything that came before was grey and boring (and the beige boxes didn’t make that better) so it was a welcome change to me at the time.
Now I’m old, I see the joy of grey high contrast consistent UI: what I am doing is more important than the shell around what I am doing.
I've got friends who ran Windows ME and it was rock solid. My experience was very very different, same with Windows 98 SE.
With that being said my PC with Win95 OSR2 was super stable.
Good gods no. But then in the business in the UK late-1990s, Wikn98 was known as "GameOS".
I ran NT 4 at home until W2K came out.
I could make a similar argument for Win7 and the indie gaming scene.
A lot of references, topics, and language patterns on here really highlight the fact that the userbase is somewhere between 35-45.
Still love Windows XP though.
Windows XP also had perfect timing for the beginning era of broadband and a generation spending hours on their computers.
You only need to look at the leadership at Microsoft who were in charge of Vista and Windows 8. They were “suits” who didn’t understand “mobile”, which was arguably confusing at the time. I vividly remember watching the release videos of Windows 8 and the interviews of the leadership clearly showed they had no concept of what they were doing.
An OS should be extremely boring. It’s an app launcher and file organizer. An OS shouldn’t be flashy. That’s why people have fond memories of Windows 2000 and XP.
Windows 10 can also be extremely boring if Open Shell is installed and some other tweaks. Same thing with Windows 11.
Windows 2000 was the GOAT, it looked perfectly OK, had NT underpinnings, was stable and had pretty good hardware support. You could probably run it today if you don't play games or have a non-postscript/HPL printer.
My old coworker at my first company gave it to me, I worked in an old mill building that had a random room for IT storage.
I also got a very old FreeBSD mouse pad from there too! I'm not sure if I still have it around.
A true Microsoft masterpiece, back when they still remembered how to build something that didn’t need 17 updates before lunch.
Even Apple would not deprecate an OS two months after its release. The AMD64 version was supported until 2014, the same as the x86 version. Itanium was a dumpster fire, and anyone who had any Itanium hardware would probably want Server 2003 anyway.
