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0 pointsamluto7mo ago0 comments

Given that one single old car without functioning emission controls will stink up an entire block far more than that entire block full of ordinary, modern traffic, I would expect that the (non-CO2) air pollution from an old diesel is far higher than that from building and operating new diesel vehicles.

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formerly_proven7mo ago

Even then, a EURO5 diesel still makes quite a stink. Of course, even an EU6+OPF gasoline car still puts out air akin to a dying dog's fart.

ICE vehicles just can't go away quickly enough (and we should aggressively get stinky vehicles like everything pre-EU5 and loud vehicles like motorcycles and scooters off the road first).

I'm not huge on regulation, but if anything MIV is underregulated. Even in the EU anything that was street-legal at some point in the past 70 years is grandfathered in, nevermind that illegal vehicle modifications - if caught - at most earn a slap on the wrist. That's enormously dumb and doesn't fly anywhere else.

cosmic_cheese7mo ago

I can’t wait for tiny engines like on things like weed eaters and leaf blowers to go extinct. Noisy, smelly as hell, generally awful.

cperciva7mo ago

A lot of cities have banned them now, at least for personal use. (Last time this was debated in my area, some businesses had justifications for why they couldn't just use electric tools, but none of those applied to regular homeowners.)

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_heimdall7mo ago

> ICE vehicles just can't go away quickly enough

We do have to either replace them with something else or stop owning personal vehicles.

The end goal may be better, but that transition will be long and it will break plenty of things along the way.

iknowstuff7mo ago

It really doesn’t have to. I’d say look at Norway but you’ll dismiss it as a rich country without looking up the actual reason behind their transition’s success. I’d say look at China but you’d say yeah but that’s China.

We can make the same decision and move fast in the direction, we just choose not to

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speedgoose7mo ago

Transition is almost done around Oslo, and we are doing fine.

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WarOnPrivacy7mo ago

> one single old car without functioning emission controls will stink up an entire block far more than that entire block full of ordinary, modern traffic

My son's 1963 Dart (daily driver) puts out far less smell than a lot of pickup trucks in this neighborhood.

And the Dart is certainly cleaner than modern choker-style pickup trucks.

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formerly_proven7mo ago

Even then, a EURO5 diesel still makes quite a stink. Of course, even an EU6+OPF gasoline car still puts out air akin to a dying dog's fart.

ICE vehicles just can't go away quickly enough (and we should aggressively get stinky vehicles like everything pre-EU5 and loud vehicles like motorcycles and scooters off the road first).

cosmic_cheese7mo ago

I can’t wait for tiny engines like on things like weed eaters and leaf blowers to go extinct. Noisy, smelly as hell, generally awful.

cperciva7mo ago

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_heimdall7mo ago

> ICE vehicles just can't go away quickly enough

We do have to either replace them with something else or stop owning personal vehicles.

The end goal may be better, but that transition will be long and it will break plenty of things along the way.

iknowstuff7mo ago

We can make the same decision and move fast in the direction, we just choose not to

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speedgoose7mo ago

Transition is almost done around Oslo, and we are doing fine.

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WarOnPrivacy7mo ago

> one single old car without functioning emission controls will stink up an entire block far more than that entire block full of ordinary, modern traffic

My son's 1963 Dart (daily driver) puts out far less smell than a lot of pickup trucks in this neighborhood.

And the Dart is certainly cleaner than modern choker-style pickup trucks.

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