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0 pointsImPostingOnHN7mo ago0 comments

> Israel believes that if it stopped fighting, the Israeli people would be overrun and slaughtered.

So does every genocidal perpetrator. It is not a surprise that someone committing ethnic cleansing or genocide will attempt to justify it as self-defense.

Fortunately, as explained at the linked post above, a unilateral claim of self-defense is not a serious justification for ethnic cleansing and genocide.

> Right here and now you have the ear of the nation of Israel, so you say what?

'The ear of' the perpetrator of ethnic cleansing and genocide is an unserious concept. Did the allies convince hitler to stop his holocaust by 'having his ear'? If you think so, then now is a good opportunity for you yourself to suggest how you would convince israel to stop their ethnic cleansing and genocide. You have the ear of the nation of Israel! What do you suggest? Remember:

- All people are equal, so your proposal cannot prioritize israeli interests, needs, or safety over those of Palestinians, or vice versa.

- Ethnic cleansing and genocide are bad no matter what, and worse than anything else anybody can do, and thus stopping it is more important than israel's military or political goals.

- "We will stop perpetrating crimes against humanity if..." cannot legally be used as a bargaining chip.

- As a good heuristic: if your proposal is serious, it would likely be able to gain majority support in the UNGA.

Your serious proposal is eagerly awaited. If you have no more answer to the conundrum than repeating over and over violate international law, commit crimes against humanity then you are unserious.

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rendall7mo ago

> it would likely be able to gain majority support in the UNGA

LOL. The UNGA that in 2022 issued 15 resolutions against Israel versus 6 against Russia, 1 against North Korea and 0 against China who is actually committing genocide, and is comprised of 22 Arab Muslim nations among others who, like you, think this is eminently reasonable and not at all obsessive? They wouldn't know a solution if it bit them.

Well, if you had a solution, you would have stated it by now. War it is, then, even though people like you will completely unseriously call it genocide. You have a lot of company, unfortunately.

ImPostingOnHNOP7mo ago

Your opinion of the UN, as one person of billions, is noted, and your sharing it is appreciated. That said, their credibility exceeds yours, so your judgement of them is a bit moot.

Now, if you have no more answer to the conundrum than repeating over and over, violate international law, commit crimes against humanity, then you are unserious.

rendall7mo ago

Perhaps the UN has more credibility than I. And yet, the UN has not formally accused Israel of genocide. I could write a similar patronizing "Your opinion is noted, but people with more credibility disagree with you" but I shall not. You should then however, by your own logic, concede that your accusations are without merit. While Francesca Albanese, special raconteur on Palestine has accused Israel of genocide, the United States, Canada, France, Germany, Netherlands, Israel, Hungary, Albania and Argentina have officially lodged complaints over her overt anti-Semitic comments. She is not impartial, as is her mandate. Recently, the United States even sanctioned her, personally. She has credibility only with similar persons such as yourself.

Go ahead and have the last word. I will read it carefully.

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