undefined | Better HN

0 pointsfrozenseven8mo ago0 comments

Pretty much. What else would you expect from a non-technical activist who's railing against science/tech? What you see is what you get.

0 comments

ch_fr8mo ago

I hope Ed Zitron will keep saying that the biggest AI companies in the world are not making any profit for as long as the biggest AI companies in the world are not making any profit.

I find that fact alone a bit alarming.

You don't need to be a technical expert to understand that it's worrying how the entire media industry is pushing for everyone, everywhere, all of the time, to lean on a tech where the biggest providers are not profitable.

You also don't need to be a technical expert to see how much of a failure it is for the entire media industry to interview Sam Altman, let him spew out utter gibberish, and not even question him on it.

Wiretrip7mo ago

Not just Altman, but also Amodei, Pichai and Nadella. These guys are desperate now.

frozensevenOP8mo ago

>biggest AI companies in the world are not making any profit

Companies that are exploding in popularity and expanding as fast as possible are not expected to make a profit. This is not unusual in the slightest.

>the entire media industry is pushing for everyone, everywhere, all of the time

No, people use AI because they want to use AI. New users arrive on their own. If you take a closer look at what the legacy media is actually saying, they tend to have a negative slant against AI. Yet people still show up. And will continue to show up.

>Sam Altman, let him spew out utter gibberish, and not even question him on it

If Altman is pissing you and Ed off, he's doing at least something right. That said, I follow AI news every single day and I barely even glance at what Altman is saying. Here lies one of the biggest follies of the anti-AI crowd. Zitron et al. think that they can make AI go away by canceling Altman.

ch_fr7mo ago

Dunno if I need to comment on the first point since "will AI be able to Uber itself" is talked to death by zitron, and if we're disagreeing on their ability to turn a profit later on, then talking it out isn't gonna change much.

>>the entire media industry is pushing for everyone, everywhere, all of the time

>No

Yes it is. You can't just "no" this. People aren't just "happily using AI and getting bothered by the EVIL AI haters!!!". The push for AI is literally made of threats "You WILL get left behind", "people WILL replace you". Even if it is undeniably disruptive, you can't not call that pressure on a very large scale.

Just because I ask copilot once every few days to write me a piece of boilerplate doesn't invalidate the fact that my workplace has been made to believe prompting is an "essential skill" that must be enforced via mandatory e-learnings.

>think that they can make AI go away by canceling Altman.

I didn't say that and I don't think that. That last paragraph's basically bait.

1 more reply

Wiretrip7mo ago

Yes but the main thrust of his criticism is the fragility of the whole 'AI' stack, where every part of the stack is unprofitable, unstable and inter-reliant - if any one of those parts goes tits up - everybody else goes with them.

Also, a lot of AI 'users' arrive, search for an actual use case, find none, and then move on.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

0 comments

ch_fr8mo ago

I hope Ed Zitron will keep saying that the biggest AI companies in the world are not making any profit for as long as the biggest AI companies in the world are not making any profit.

I find that fact alone a bit alarming.

Wiretrip7mo ago

Not just Altman, but also Amodei, Pichai and Nadella. These guys are desperate now.

frozensevenOP8mo ago

>biggest AI companies in the world are not making any profit

Companies that are exploding in popularity and expanding as fast as possible are not expected to make a profit. This is not unusual in the slightest.

>the entire media industry is pushing for everyone, everywhere, all of the time

>Sam Altman, let him spew out utter gibberish, and not even question him on it

ch_fr7mo ago

>>the entire media industry is pushing for everyone, everywhere, all of the time

>No

>think that they can make AI go away by canceling Altman.

I didn't say that and I don't think that. That last paragraph's basically bait.

1 more reply

Wiretrip7mo ago

Also, a lot of AI 'users' arrive, search for an actual use case, find none, and then move on.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse