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0 pointsteruakohatu10mo ago0 comments

> CC at like a 500% loss

Do you have a citation for this?

It might be at a loss, but I don’t think it is that extravagant.

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The way I am doing the math with my Max subscription and assuming DeepSeek API prices, it is still x5 times cheaper. So either DeepSeek is losing money (unlikely) or Anthropic is losing lots of money (more likely). Grok kinda confirms my suspicions. Assuming DeepSeek prices, I've probably spent north of $100 of Grok compute. I didn't pay Grok or Twitter a single cent. $100 is a lot of loss for a single user.

manojlds10mo ago

Comparison should be with Claude API pricing. It doesn't matter what other models cost.

vmg1210mo ago

Claude API pricing has significant margin baked in. I think it's safe to assume that anthropic is getting 80% margin on their api and they are selling claude code for less than that.

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tonyhart710mo ago

what?? sonnet/opus is way better than deepseek, how can you compare that to deepseek

also you probably talking about distilled deepseek model

nurettin10mo ago

I haven't tried deepseek but I've seen claude do crazy things if you are at the correct random.seed

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resonious10mo ago

I'm also curious about this. Claude Code feels very expensive to me, but at the same time I don't have much perspective (nothing to compare it to, really, other than Codex or other agent editors I guess. And CC is way better so likely worth the extra money anyway)

harikb10mo ago

I think GP is talking about Claude Code Max 100 & 200 plans. They are very reasonable compared to anything else that has per-use token usage.

I am on Max and I can work 5 hrs+ a day easily. It does fall back to Sonnet pretty fast, but I don't seem to notice any big differece.

e1g10mo ago

Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day, so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

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sothatsit10mo ago

You can tell Claude Code to use opus using /model and then it doesn't fall back to Sonnet btw. I am on the $100 plan and I hit rate-limits every now and then, but not enough to warrant using Sonnet instead of Opus.

rolisz10mo ago

Before they announced the Max plans, I could easily hit 10-15$ of API usage per day (without even being a heavy user).

Since they announced that you can use the Pro subscription with Claude Code, I've been using it much more and I've never ever been rate limited.

3uler10mo ago

This is what I don’t get about the cost being reported by Claude code. At work I use it against our AWS Bedrock instance, and most sessions will say 15/20 dollars and I’ll have multiple agents running. So I can easily spend 60 bucks a day in reported cost. Our AWS Bedrock bill is only a small fraction of that? Why would you over charge on direct usage of your API?

mike_hearn10mo ago

Anthropic has costs beyond their AWS bill ....

asaddhamani10mo ago

API prices are way higher than actual inference cost.

artursapek10mo ago

You can spend $200 worth of tokens in a single day using the Max $200/mo fixed cost plan.

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csomar10mo ago

manojlds10mo ago

Comparison should be with Claude API pricing. It doesn't matter what other models cost.

vmg1210mo ago

Claude API pricing has significant margin baked in. I think it's safe to assume that anthropic is getting 80% margin on their api and they are selling claude code for less than that.

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tonyhart710mo ago

what?? sonnet/opus is way better than deepseek, how can you compare that to deepseek

also you probably talking about distilled deepseek model

nurettin10mo ago

I haven't tried deepseek but I've seen claude do crazy things if you are at the correct random.seed

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resonious10mo ago

harikb10mo ago

I think GP is talking about Claude Code Max 100 & 200 plans. They are very reasonable compared to anything else that has per-use token usage.

I am on Max and I can work 5 hrs+ a day easily. It does fall back to Sonnet pretty fast, but I don't seem to notice any big differece.

e1g10mo ago

Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day, so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.

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sothatsit10mo ago

rolisz10mo ago

Before they announced the Max plans, I could easily hit 10-15$ of API usage per day (without even being a heavy user).

Since they announced that you can use the Pro subscription with Claude Code, I've been using it much more and I've never ever been rate limited.

3uler10mo ago

mike_hearn10mo ago

Anthropic has costs beyond their AWS bill ....

asaddhamani10mo ago

API prices are way higher than actual inference cost.

artursapek10mo ago

You can spend $200 worth of tokens in a single day using the Max $200/mo fixed cost plan.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse