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0 pointsfloren10mo ago0 comments

These old cars can be a lot of fun but even the fast ones weren't that fast when taken against a modern family car... take a 68 Mustang, an iconic car as featured in Bullitt, with a 0-60 of 5.4 seconds and compare it to a 2012 Toyota Camry doing the same in 5.8 seconds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a151426...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15122183/toyota-camry-...

I used to drive a 62 Studebaker. People saw an old car and asked me if it was fast. Hell no, I'd answer -- but by God it can suck fuel!

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flomo10mo ago

Here's the thing. A 68 Mustang had no almost emissions controls. A 78 Thunderbird was almost the exact same stuff, except it was choked to shit. A modern computer-controlled Camry is not only way better performing, it also orders of magnitude cleaner.

IMO the ICE has achieved its final form, so now the future has to be something else (electric).

Reubachi10mo ago

RE: "ice final form"

It's an intersting time to live, we are indeed seeing the peak of ICE, though I think there are lots of room for improvement in EGR, compression, more efficient catalytic process.

"smaller market" ICE manufacturers IE isuzu, mazda, hino etc. are sort of working towards this, as opposed to jumping on EV train.

Theoretically, it's completely reasonable for a high compression inlne 3 cylinder with aero wheels/tires to get 60-70 MPG. (With proper EGR, turbo application, CVT)

PaulHoule10mo ago

I think the major carmakers aren't interested in super-economy ICE cars.

They're attracted to XXXXL EVs because they can make the XXXXL cars they want to make and still claim they're "green"

userbinator10mo ago

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/94-caprice-wagon-...

50mpg from a 5.7L V8, using most of the drivetrain from a truck(!)

My daily driver gets roughly half that, but it has a carbureted 6.6L and an automatic transmission, with some mild performance tuning done. I am satisfied enough with that.

flomo10mo ago

Really none of that is improving the ICE.

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flomo10mo ago

IMO the ICE has achieved its final form, so now the future has to be something else (electric).

Reubachi10mo ago

RE: "ice final form"

It's an intersting time to live, we are indeed seeing the peak of ICE, though I think there are lots of room for improvement in EGR, compression, more efficient catalytic process.

"smaller market" ICE manufacturers IE isuzu, mazda, hino etc. are sort of working towards this, as opposed to jumping on EV train.

Theoretically, it's completely reasonable for a high compression inlne 3 cylinder with aero wheels/tires to get 60-70 MPG. (With proper EGR, turbo application, CVT)

PaulHoule10mo ago

I think the major carmakers aren't interested in super-economy ICE cars.

They're attracted to XXXXL EVs because they can make the XXXXL cars they want to make and still claim they're "green"

userbinator10mo ago

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/94-caprice-wagon-...

50mpg from a 5.7L V8, using most of the drivetrain from a truck(!)

My daily driver gets roughly half that, but it has a carbureted 6.6L and an automatic transmission, with some mild performance tuning done. I am satisfied enough with that.

flomo10mo ago

Really none of that is improving the ICE.

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