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0 pointsslg10mo ago0 comments

I downvoted because it is naive childlike logic that excuses current bad behavior on the possibility of future good behavior.

OP's original comment called this stealing and this response is that the "obvious solution" is that the thief will pay their victim back after turning their stealing operation into a successful business. That is silly. Do people think that if the Pirate Bay is allowed to exist long enough that they will eventually start paying Hollywood Studios for new movies?

If you want to argue against OP in defense of these AI companies, argue why what they're doing isn't stealing or why what they're doing in the moment is justified. Don't say the stealing can be excused by some hypothetical and implied promise of future reparations.

EDIT: It's funny to respond to a comment asking for explanation of the downvotes only to be downvoted without explanation.

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brokencode10mo ago

I didn’t downvote you, but I do disagree.

Yes, the AI companies are stealing. This is an area where the legal system needs to catch up.

Once it does, AI companies should have to negotiate contracts with publishers in order to legally use their content. Otherwise they should be open to lawsuits for copyright violations.

This is quite different from Pirate Bay, which is not run by a law abiding company with customers. Unless OpenAI wants to go underground and sell their services on the black market, they will have to play by the rules.

slgOP10mo ago

What you are saying here is fundamentally very different from the original downvoted comment. You’re saying this behavior is bad and should be corrected by the government. The original comment sidestepped the ethics of the behavior on the insistence that it would be fixed by market forces.

brokencode10mo ago

I mean, that’s what I’m saying too. I think AI companies will have to pay for content to be competitive in the market. Either that or I guess they could write their own content.

Yes, the government needs to force them to stop stealing first. Similar to how the government stops contractors from going to Home Depot and stealing all the two by fours.

The government doesn’t force contractors to buy wood, it only stops them from stealing it. It’s the profit incentive that leads contractors to buy wood.

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brokencode10mo ago

I didn’t downvote you, but I do disagree.

Yes, the AI companies are stealing. This is an area where the legal system needs to catch up.

Once it does, AI companies should have to negotiate contracts with publishers in order to legally use their content. Otherwise they should be open to lawsuits for copyright violations.

slgOP10mo ago

brokencode10mo ago

I mean, that’s what I’m saying too. I think AI companies will have to pay for content to be competitive in the market. Either that or I guess they could write their own content.

Yes, the government needs to force them to stop stealing first. Similar to how the government stops contractors from going to Home Depot and stealing all the two by fours.

The government doesn’t force contractors to buy wood, it only stops them from stealing it. It’s the profit incentive that leads contractors to buy wood.

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