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0 pointspwdisswordfishz10mo ago0 comments

Linguistic prescriptivism is wrong, and people who promote it are showing they have zero respect for others when they don't have to.

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LocalH10mo ago

I agree that language is fluid. However, when it comes to names, I think people should have enough respect to pronounce things how the creator (or owner, depending on the situation) of the name says it should be pronounced. Too often people will mispronounce someone's name as a sign of intentional disrespect (see Kamala Harris for a fairly recent prominent example) and I cannot get behind that. You see a similar disrespect in the hard-soft discourse around the pronunciation of GIF. A lot of people use the hard g and mock the creator for thinking that soft g should ever have been right.

Naming is probably one of the few language areas that I think should be prescriptive, even while language at large is descriptive.

Analemma_10mo ago

I don’t think technical standards merit the same level of “deference to the creator” as personal names. People are wrong about standards they created all the time (ask me what I think about John Gruber’s “stewardship” of Markdown) and should be corrected, a standard is meant for all. Obviously the pronunciation of an acronym isn’t anywhere near as important as technical details, but I think the principle holds.

asadotzler10mo ago

People are wrong about the children they create all the time too, and should be corrected.

LocalH10mo ago

A child is presumably a sentient being, and at some point in their life should gain control of their name. In fact, they do, to some large degree. There are means to change one's legal name, or one can diverge from their legal name and professionally/publicly use a completely different name.

A file format is not a sentient being. The creator's intent matters much more. If GIF had sentience and could voice a desire one way or the other, the whole discussion would be moot as it would clearly be disrespectful to intentionally mispronounce the name.

mandmandam10mo ago

If the creator insists on a weird pronunciation, because of an inside joke most won't ever get, then I feel no responsibility in humoring them.

The G in gif is for graphics. Not 'giraffics'. And most people in the world have no idea what Jif even is, much less a particular catchphrase from an old ad campaign that barely even connects.

ziml7710mo ago

And the P in JPEG is for photographic, so you better be saying jay-feg if you want to rely on that logic.

joquarky10mo ago

If everyone conformed, then we would have no fun lively debates on things like this. That would be a boring world.

xdennis10mo ago

Linguistic prescriptivism has nothing to do with it.

English has both pronunciations for "gi" based on origin. Giraffe, giant, ginger, etc from Latin; gift, give, (and presumably others) from Germanic roots.

Using the preferred one is just a matter of politeness.

Also, it's quite ironic to prescribe "linguistic prescriptivism" as wrong.

account4210mo ago

Insisting on one out of multiple possible pronunciations when most people naturally pick a different one is the definition of linguistic prescriptivism. Politeness doesn't have anything to do with it, people are not required to let individuals dictate how our collective language works.

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LocalH10mo ago

Naming is probably one of the few language areas that I think should be prescriptive, even while language at large is descriptive.

Analemma_10mo ago

asadotzler10mo ago

People are wrong about the children they create all the time too, and should be corrected.

LocalH10mo ago

mandmandam10mo ago

If the creator insists on a weird pronunciation, because of an inside joke most won't ever get, then I feel no responsibility in humoring them.

The G in gif is for graphics. Not 'giraffics'. And most people in the world have no idea what Jif even is, much less a particular catchphrase from an old ad campaign that barely even connects.

ziml7710mo ago

And the P in JPEG is for photographic, so you better be saying jay-feg if you want to rely on that logic.

joquarky10mo ago

If everyone conformed, then we would have no fun lively debates on things like this. That would be a boring world.

xdennis10mo ago

Linguistic prescriptivism has nothing to do with it.

English has both pronunciations for "gi" based on origin. Giraffe, giant, ginger, etc from Latin; gift, give, (and presumably others) from Germanic roots.

Using the preferred one is just a matter of politeness.

Also, it's quite ironic to prescribe "linguistic prescriptivism" as wrong.

account4210mo ago

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