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0 pointsxnx9mo ago0 comments

Genuinely surprised that Israel couldn't push one out of their c-130s

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The kinetics matter here. The B2 flies much higher than the C-130 which would aid the GBU-57 MOP (almost certainly used here) in it's ability to penetrate to maximum depth. 80% of the 15 ton weight of that bomb is just heavy metal to give it maximum energy as it borrows into the ground.

Also, each B2 can carry 2 MOPs making it a better platform than a C-130, and that isn't even taking the stealth of the platform into account

xnxOP9mo ago

> Also, each B2 can carry 2 MOPs

Wow. That is amazing. 60,000 lbs. combined.

16594470919mo ago

Don't think the C-130s can fly high enough with a single 30,000lb bomb. The graphic at bbc site show it would be dropped from about 12km (~40,000 ft) in order to gain the speed needed to drive it some 60m underground.

ahazred8ta9mo ago

From 40,000 feet, the bomb would take ~ 50 seconds to fall and would impact at mach 1.5.

CyanLite29mo ago

Various sources are saying 6 to 12 of these bombs were used. So, you'd need a lot of C-130s and those planes are too slow to NOT get shot down.

giantg29mo ago

Do they even have access to this variant? I thought they had access to the older ones that weren't as advanced.

dingaling9mo ago

The MOP isn't particularly 'advanced', it's basically refined version of the Korean-vintage Tarzon guided earthquake bombs. It's just too heavy for most military aircraft to carry.

The IDF has the F-15I which has a centerline hard point rated for 5,000lb load. That's immense for a fighter but a magnitude too low for the MOP.

There are a variety of smaller US penetrating bombs that the F-15 can handle, but they don't have the mass and structure to penetrate as deeply.

YZF9mo ago

They do not.

ceejayoz9mo ago

Israel hasn’t degraded Iranian air defenses that much. The stuff that can’t threaten a F-35 can still trouble a C-130.

invalidname9mo ago

According to Israel they fly freely in West/central Iran and use all the plains including F15/16. Initially they relied on the F-35's stealth but as of last week they claim air superiority.

energy1239mo ago

Why do you say this? Israel only lost 1 drone.

pclmulqdq9mo ago

The US has B52s that are cheaper, but they used B2s for this operation. It seems they don't believe Iran's air defenses to be toothless.

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ceejayoz9mo ago

C-130s are very large, slow targets.

tguvot9mo ago

video shows how confused and disoriented are whatever SAM that survived

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1lb8mkc/iran...

ceejayoz9mo ago

Those are likely being jammed.

You can threaten a C-130 with visually guided WWII era flak.

You are unlikely to get an F-35 with it.

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p_ing9mo ago

Israel doesn't have access to the MOP.

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algorithmsRcool9mo ago

Also, each B2 can carry 2 MOPs making it a better platform than a C-130, and that isn't even taking the stealth of the platform into account

xnxOP9mo ago

> Also, each B2 can carry 2 MOPs

Wow. That is amazing. 60,000 lbs. combined.

16594470919mo ago

ahazred8ta9mo ago

From 40,000 feet, the bomb would take ~ 50 seconds to fall and would impact at mach 1.5.

CyanLite29mo ago

Various sources are saying 6 to 12 of these bombs were used. So, you'd need a lot of C-130s and those planes are too slow to NOT get shot down.

giantg29mo ago

Do they even have access to this variant? I thought they had access to the older ones that weren't as advanced.

dingaling9mo ago

The MOP isn't particularly 'advanced', it's basically refined version of the Korean-vintage Tarzon guided earthquake bombs. It's just too heavy for most military aircraft to carry.

The IDF has the F-15I which has a centerline hard point rated for 5,000lb load. That's immense for a fighter but a magnitude too low for the MOP.

There are a variety of smaller US penetrating bombs that the F-15 can handle, but they don't have the mass and structure to penetrate as deeply.

YZF9mo ago

They do not.

ceejayoz9mo ago

Israel hasn’t degraded Iranian air defenses that much. The stuff that can’t threaten a F-35 can still trouble a C-130.

invalidname9mo ago

According to Israel they fly freely in West/central Iran and use all the plains including F15/16. Initially they relied on the F-35's stealth but as of last week they claim air superiority.

energy1239mo ago

Why do you say this? Israel only lost 1 drone.

pclmulqdq9mo ago

The US has B52s that are cheaper, but they used B2s for this operation. It seems they don't believe Iran's air defenses to be toothless.

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ceejayoz9mo ago

C-130s are very large, slow targets.

tguvot9mo ago

video shows how confused and disoriented are whatever SAM that survived

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1lb8mkc/iran...

ceejayoz9mo ago

Those are likely being jammed.

You can threaten a C-130 with visually guided WWII era flak.

You are unlikely to get an F-35 with it.

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p_ing9mo ago

Israel doesn't have access to the MOP.

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