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0 pointsra0x310mo ago0 comments

This was my thinking as well. Iran sending a nuke at anyone effectively is the end of Iran (and many of its people). Something something…mutually assured destruction (e.g., North Korea has nukes, makes threats, doesn’t use them)

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crystal_revenge10mo ago

Unfortunately MAD in the classic sense doesn't apply here. Yes if Iran launched a nuke at Israel, or vice versa, and the other had nuclear capabilities, they would destroy each other, but the MAD scenario between the USSR and the United States doesn't really play out here.

The biggest global risk in this case would be that tactical nukes would be back on the menu which would immediately change the face of modern warfare.

jordanb10mo ago

I feel like it's been demonstrated that if Israel orders the United States to destroy the world on its behalf, the United States will do it.

lostlogin10mo ago

So Iran is a special case compared to every other country getting them?

card_zero10mo ago

So the reason to make an exception to the Non-Proliferation Treaty just for the giant tyrannical fundamentalist state is, what, because otherwise they might get insecure and anxious?

OK, they never signed up to it, but still.

WaxProlix10mo ago

Are you referring to Israel here, who stole the recipe from their closest 'ally' and has made not one or two but hundreds of nukes outside of the NPT?

jampekka10mo ago

AFAIK the recipe was given to them by the French.

lostlogin10mo ago

Allegedly.

amanaplanacanal10mo ago

We made an exception for Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea.

coredog6410mo ago

North Korea left the NPT, Israel never signed it.

coredog6410mo ago

The prior government did sign it and there’s very good reason to hold successor states to the treaties signed before they existed.

lostlogin10mo ago

What about the agreement to protect Ukraine if they gave up the nuclear weapons?

Trusting the US or any agreement with it would be foolish.

samrus10mo ago

the NPT is a joke. the only "authorized" nukes are the ones you can keep

Workaccount210mo ago

The problem is that these people are religiously unhinged. They are executing Gods will with God on their side.

crystal_revenge10mo ago

Ted Cruz is explicitly advocating that Christians are biblically commanded to defend the modern day state of Israel, and that this alone justifies our attack on Iran.

pmarreck10mo ago

Or just because they tried to assassinate Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/08/donald-trump-iran-a...

Ted Cruz can blather whatever he wants (and he also footnoted it to say it was only HIS belief), but only Iran has holy-text justification for the destruction of all Jews, mentioned numerous times in authenticated Hadiths (just search them for "The last hour will not come")

bigyabai10mo ago

In the past 24 hours alone, all 3 parties in this conflict have attributed their success to God. You genuinely, honestly have to be more specific in your comment because not a single involved participant is a fully secular country.

So, with that being said - which nuclear-obsessive theocracy do you support?

ta890310mo ago

To be fair it's the same god.

yencabulator10mo ago

Unlike the American evangelicals and the Israeli?

adgjlsfhk110mo ago

one of the scariest parts of the current US administration is that there is a fairly strong evangelical Christian belief that a massive (possibly nuclear) war in Israel is a necessary precursor to the 2nd coming.

Workaccount210mo ago

That's from Islam. Infact the entire point of ISIS was to manifest this prophecy

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lostlogin10mo ago

Are you referring to Iran or Israel?

samrus10mo ago

this describes both jihadis and the chosen people. the whole region is operating on pre enlightenment notions of diplomacy

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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crystal_revenge10mo ago

The biggest global risk in this case would be that tactical nukes would be back on the menu which would immediately change the face of modern warfare.

jordanb10mo ago

I feel like it's been demonstrated that if Israel orders the United States to destroy the world on its behalf, the United States will do it.

lostlogin10mo ago

So Iran is a special case compared to every other country getting them?

card_zero10mo ago

So the reason to make an exception to the Non-Proliferation Treaty just for the giant tyrannical fundamentalist state is, what, because otherwise they might get insecure and anxious?

OK, they never signed up to it, but still.

WaxProlix10mo ago

Are you referring to Israel here, who stole the recipe from their closest 'ally' and has made not one or two but hundreds of nukes outside of the NPT?

jampekka10mo ago

AFAIK the recipe was given to them by the French.

lostlogin10mo ago

Allegedly.

amanaplanacanal10mo ago

We made an exception for Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea.

coredog6410mo ago

North Korea left the NPT, Israel never signed it.

coredog6410mo ago

The prior government did sign it and there’s very good reason to hold successor states to the treaties signed before they existed.

lostlogin10mo ago

What about the agreement to protect Ukraine if they gave up the nuclear weapons?

Trusting the US or any agreement with it would be foolish.

samrus10mo ago

the NPT is a joke. the only "authorized" nukes are the ones you can keep

Workaccount210mo ago

The problem is that these people are religiously unhinged. They are executing Gods will with God on their side.

crystal_revenge10mo ago

Ted Cruz is explicitly advocating that Christians are biblically commanded to defend the modern day state of Israel, and that this alone justifies our attack on Iran.

pmarreck10mo ago

Or just because they tried to assassinate Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/08/donald-trump-iran-a...

bigyabai10mo ago

So, with that being said - which nuclear-obsessive theocracy do you support?

ta890310mo ago

To be fair it's the same god.

yencabulator10mo ago

Unlike the American evangelicals and the Israeli?

adgjlsfhk110mo ago

Workaccount210mo ago

That's from Islam. Infact the entire point of ISIS was to manifest this prophecy

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lostlogin10mo ago

Are you referring to Iran or Israel?

samrus10mo ago

this describes both jihadis and the chosen people. the whole region is operating on pre enlightenment notions of diplomacy

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse