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0 pointsgruez9mo ago0 comments

>>Brother you cannot be serious with this racist take

>There are many ethnicities in China, people of all genetic backgrounds. It is the culture that is the problem, not the race.

This just seems like nitpicking to me. Colloquially most people would classify discrimination based on country of origin, or "culture" (whatever that means) as racism, even if it doesn't meet the technical definition. For instance Trump's travel bans have been called by many as "racist", even though it covers a bunch of countries, and even though the countries are majority muslim, it also excludes major muslim countries like Pakistan and Indonesia.

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const_cast9mo ago

It's entirely fair game to criticism or even discriminate based on culture, because culture is composed of actions. If people act in such a way that you do not like, that's a valid reason not to like them.

Now, we do still need to respect cultural differences where it makes sense and consider the historical context behind cultural differences, such as colonialism.

drysine9mo ago

Nazis used to measure skull dimensions to discriminate on race. How do you measure "culture" of an individual? Just apply a stereotype based on the country of origin?

const_cast9mo ago

You… ask them? Or they tell you?

Like, for example, cultures which are outwardly hostile towards women and their autonomy don’t keep that as a secret. In those places, it’s well known and obvious.

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exe349mo ago

Just because most people are wrong doesn't mean we should encourage the dilution of words.

gruezOP9mo ago

I might be sympathetic to this argument if the severity actually differed, eg. people calling mean tweets "violence" or something, but that's not what's happening there. I don't see any meaningfully difference between "I'm discriminating against you because you're Chinese" (culture/nationality) and "I'm discriminating you're Han Chinese" (ethnicity). I doubt the average racist actually knows the distinction between the two anyways, and I doubt people are going to be like "oh you're discriminating based on culture instead of ethnicity? I guess that's fine then!".

exe349mo ago

> I don't see any meaningfully difference between "I'm discriminating against you because you're Chinese" (culture/nationality) and "I'm discriminating you're Han Chinese" (ethnicity).

It's interesting you would write this as if nobody's pointed out actual cultural differences yet.

Dylan168079mo ago

> This just seems like nitpicking to me. Colloquially most people would classify discrimination based on country of origin, or "culture" (whatever that means) as racism, even if it doesn't meet the technical definition.

Nobody is going to believe you're talking about real things if you let people call your argument "racism" so it's not nitpicking if you can explain why it's not. Also the word "discrimination" is itself a loaded term.

And yes areas having cultures is real. Sometimes it's tied to country, sometimes it's not.

> Trump's travel bans have been called by many as "racist", even though it covers a bunch of countries,

I'm confused? Covering a whole bunch of countries sharing a demographic is much more likely to be a racist move than picking one or two.

> and even though the countries are majority muslim, it also excludes major muslim countries like Pakistan and Indonesia.

That's a good argument against saying "muslim ban" but I'm pretty sure a focus on the middle east makes it more about race.

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const_cast9mo ago

Now, we do still need to respect cultural differences where it makes sense and consider the historical context behind cultural differences, such as colonialism.

drysine9mo ago

Nazis used to measure skull dimensions to discriminate on race. How do you measure "culture" of an individual? Just apply a stereotype based on the country of origin?

const_cast9mo ago

You… ask them? Or they tell you?

Like, for example, cultures which are outwardly hostile towards women and their autonomy don’t keep that as a secret. In those places, it’s well known and obvious.

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exe349mo ago

Just because most people are wrong doesn't mean we should encourage the dilution of words.

gruezOP9mo ago

exe349mo ago

> I don't see any meaningfully difference between "I'm discriminating against you because you're Chinese" (culture/nationality) and "I'm discriminating you're Han Chinese" (ethnicity).

It's interesting you would write this as if nobody's pointed out actual cultural differences yet.

Dylan168079mo ago

And yes areas having cultures is real. Sometimes it's tied to country, sometimes it's not.

> Trump's travel bans have been called by many as "racist", even though it covers a bunch of countries,

I'm confused? Covering a whole bunch of countries sharing a demographic is much more likely to be a racist move than picking one or two.

> and even though the countries are majority muslim, it also excludes major muslim countries like Pakistan and Indonesia.

That's a good argument against saying "muslim ban" but I'm pretty sure a focus on the middle east makes it more about race.

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