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0 pointsSpivak9mo ago0 comments

Do you mean dbus as the other protocol? Because that's an intentional choice to separate out the protocol for drawing windows and responding to events and "desktop stuff" that's not related to being a window on the screen. They're not plastering over anything, that stuff is intentionally out of scope for Wayland.

The advantage is that anything can use the desktop stuff (cli tools) just by talking to dbus instead of having to be a wayland client despite having no windows.

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holowoodman9mo ago

Tons of stuff aren't in wayland that are actually graphics and window related. Wayland just forgot about it, then later on people realized that their design was far too primitive and simplistic.

DMA buffers, color management and pixel formats, scaling and DPI, image and video capture, tons of keyboard and mouse related things, all initially forgotten, now incompatible extras that are inconsistently implemented, frequently broken and forever in beta/staging/unsupported hell...

SpivakOP9mo ago

If you mean what Wayland literally calls "staging" it means that compositors should adopt it now, it doesn't mean pre-release. Once multiple compositors implement the protocol it can become stable.

holowoodman9mo ago

Staging still means it is untested because not widely implemented. And still unsupported by the majority of compositors. So basically still unusable.

Also, "can become stable" is a very rare thing. Only a single-digit percentage of staging ever became stable.

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0 pointsSpivak9mo ago0 comments

The advantage is that anything can use the desktop stuff (cli tools) just by talking to dbus instead of having to be a wayland client despite having no windows.

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holowoodman9mo ago

Tons of stuff aren't in wayland that are actually graphics and window related. Wayland just forgot about it, then later on people realized that their design was far too primitive and simplistic.

SpivakOP9mo ago

If you mean what Wayland literally calls "staging" it means that compositors should adopt it now, it doesn't mean pre-release. Once multiple compositors implement the protocol it can become stable.

holowoodman9mo ago

Staging still means it is untested because not widely implemented. And still unsupported by the majority of compositors. So basically still unusable.

Also, "can become stable" is a very rare thing. Only a single-digit percentage of staging ever became stable.

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