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0 pointsmkfs11mo ago0 comments

> The very same developers that advocate pirating from Netflix or Disney?

Even the ones advocating or engaging in personal piracy aren't creating unauthorized derivative works and monetizing them, which is arguably what these AI systems and their customers are doing. And Thomas wasn't talking about personal piracy, but instead trying to use the IP-hostile conduct of Google and certain startups (like Scribd or GrooveShark) to smear all developers and de-legitimize their IP-based objections, even of those releasing code under permissive licenses (like the GPL) in exchange for expected adherence to certain terms and conditions that these systems and their users ignore.

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tomnipotent11mo ago

> but instead trying to use the IP-hostile conduct of Google and certain startups (like Scribd or GrooveShark) to smear all developers

I challenge you to point out the language in his post making this claim. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

He's specifically addressing high-level arguments used against LLM's, and this case he's calling out the fact that one group of people are railing against LLM providers for "IP theft" while simultaneously encouraging and using pirated content. It's perfectly reasonable to call out the hypocrisy in these contradictory positions, to demonstrate that the "IP theft" argument is mostly virtue signaling.

mkfsOP11mo ago

> I challenge you to point out the language in his post making this claim. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

Here:

> The great cultural project of developers has been opposing any protection that might inconvenience a monetizable media-sharing site. When they fail at policy, they route around it with coercion. They stand up global-scale piracy networks and sneer at anybody who so much as tries to preserve a new-release window for a TV show.

He doesn't explicitly name corporate entities, but it's clearly the ones founded and run by "move fast, break things" types (and I suspect he's one of them) that he's using to smear all developers, even the humble ones who aren't nearly as rich as him and whose open source software he used to build his business.

tomnipotent11mo ago

That quote doesn't even remotely align with your previous comment. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics and intentionally interpret with bad intentions to reach the conclusion you did.

> but it's clearly the ones founded

Clearly in your imagination, since you're just putting words in his mouth.

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tomnipotent11mo ago

> but instead trying to use the IP-hostile conduct of Google and certain startups (like Scribd or GrooveShark) to smear all developers

I challenge you to point out the language in his post making this claim. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

mkfsOP11mo ago

> I challenge you to point out the language in his post making this claim. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

Here:

tomnipotent11mo ago

That quote doesn't even remotely align with your previous comment. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics and intentionally interpret with bad intentions to reach the conclusion you did.

> but it's clearly the ones founded

Clearly in your imagination, since you're just putting words in his mouth.

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