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0 pointsyubblegum10mo ago0 comments

Because other professional fields have not been subjected to a long running effort to commoditize software engineers. And further, most other (cognitive) professionals are not subject to 'age shaming' and discounting of experience.

We should not forget that on the other side of this issue are equally smart and motivated people and they too are aware of the power dynamics involved. For example, the phenomena of younger programmers poo pooing experienced engineers was a completely new valuation paradigm pushed by interested parties at some point around the dotcom bubble.

Doctors with n years in the OR will not take shit from some intern that just came out of school. But we were placed in that situation at some point after '00. So the fundamental issue is that there is an (engineered imho) generational divide, and coupled with age discrimination in hiring (again due to interested parties' incentives) has a created a situation where one side is accumiliating generational wealth and power and the other side (us developers) are divided by age and the ones with the most skin in the game are naive youngsters who have no clue and have been taught to hate on "millenials" and "old timers" etc.

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throwaway203710mo ago

    > Because other professional fields have not been subjected to a long running effort to commoditize software engineers.

In the United States, aren't Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant a "direct assault" on medical doctors? I assume these roles were created in a pushback at the expense of medical doctors.

    > And further, most other (cognitive) professionals are not subject to 'age shaming' and discounting of experience.

I am of two minds about this comment. TL;DR: "Yeah, but..." One thing that I have noticed in my career: Most people can pump out much more code and work longer hours when they are young. Then, when they get a bit older and/or start a family (and usually want better work/life balance), they start to play the "experience" card, which rarely translates into higher realised economic productivity. Yes, most young devs write crap code, but they can write a lot of it. If you can find good young devs, they are way cheaper and faster than experience devs. I write that sentence with the controversial view that most businesses don't need amazing/perfect software; they just need "good enough" (which talented juniors can more than provide).

When young people learn that I am a software developer, their eyes light up (thinking that I make huge money working for FAANG). Frequently, they ask if they should also become a software developer. I tell them no, because this industry requires constant self-learning that is very hard to sustain after 40. Then, you become a target for layoffs, and getting re-employed after 40 as a software dev can be very tough.

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throwaway203710mo ago

    > Because other professional fields have not been subjected to a long running effort to commoditize software engineers.

In the United States, aren't Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant a "direct assault" on medical doctors? I assume these roles were created in a pushback at the expense of medical doctors.

    > And further, most other (cognitive) professionals are not subject to 'age shaming' and discounting of experience.

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