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0 pointsjjmarr1y ago0 comments

> The reason a teacher asks you a question is not because they don’t know the answer.

A decent amount of my professors don't know the answers because they bought the course, test questions, and lectures from Cengage. During exam review, they just regurgitate the answer justification that Cengage provided. During the lectures, they struggle to explain certain concepts since they didn't make the slides.

Professors automate themselves out of the teaching process and are upset when students automate themselves out of the learning process.

I can tell when the faculty views teaching as a checkbox that they officially have to devote 40% of their time to. I can tell when we are given busywork to waste our time instead of something challenging.

To use your analogy, I'm being told to move 1000 plush reproductions of barbells from Point A to B by hand because accreditation wants to see students "working out" and the school doesn't want high failure rates.

We are all pulling out the forklift. Some of us are happy because we don't have to work as hard. Others are using the forklift so we can get in a real workout at home, as school is not a good use of our time. Either way, none of us see value moving paperweights all day.

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My favourite course during my Computer Engineering degree was Science Fiction because that professor graded us on substance instead of form. It was considered a hard class because one would get good marks on the essays by focusing on building substantive points instead of strict adherence to the form of a five-paragraph hamburger essay.

The call to action is to make courses harder and stop giving students plush barbells.

For example, University of Toronto Engineering Science (hardest program in Canada) gives first-year students a "vibe coding" lab in which students learn how to solve a problem that AI cannot.

https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~guerzhoy/vibecoding/vibecoding.h...

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pca0061321y ago

There are many issues here. The lack of incentives is probably the most important one. For new professors (in research universities), good teaching is usually just a good thing to have, but it is not a deciding factor for their tenure. When they get their tenure, they probably have enough students, and they need to work hard to apply for funding and keep the students paid. Administrators care most about ranking, and teaching isn't really evaluated in the ranking. They just push the professors to do more research and apply for more funding.

It is also hard to evaluate university teaching because there are no benchmarks for that (compared with high school, for example), and it is hard to judge if teaching is good from student feedback. You can only know if someone fucked up or did really well, which are outliers.

There are other issues as well. Professor IMO is a ridiculous job, you are supposed to be an expert in the field, be a researcher, be a manager, be a teacher, be a salesman, all at the same time. There are people who can excel in all these, but these are probably just outliers. It doesn't help when PhD training doesn't train you to be a proper manager and teacher. While there are some teaching training, I think we are not really held to a high enough standard. E.g. One can pass the teaching course if they just show up and spend some time, even though their teaching is horrible.

StefanBatory1y ago

Meanwhile at my uni, at Masters, I'm being taught how to create and delete rows in HTML - I wish I wasn't kidding. :(

lazide1y ago

But that requires professors to do work and give a damn!

johnnyanmac1y ago

These projections about bad professor experience is exactly why colleges became so hyperconpetitive. The difference between a competitive (and not even exclusive level like Ivies) and a "semi-competitive" is night and day in terms of rigor, staff talent, and overall environment.

But sure, you're always going to find a few meh or bad professors. And they will stick out as much ad thr great professors

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