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0 pointsAdieuToLogic1y ago0 comments

> The onus should be on the educators to reframe how they teach and how they test. It's strange how the author can't see this.

> Universities and schools must change how they do things with respect to AI, otherwise they are failing the students.

Hard disagree.

Students need to answer a fundamental question of themselves;

  Am I here to learn or to get a passing grade?

If it is the former, the latter doesn't really matter.

If it is the latter, the former was not the point to begin with.

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zamadatix1y ago

Why isn't both a valid option, can't one be at a university to both learn and get a degree+GPA showing they did well at doing so? In any case, why does a student selecting that they are there to learn negate the responsibility of the university to provide the best curricula for students to do so with?

alpinisme1y ago

The assumption you are making is that students consistently using llms is required by the best curriculum. That’s a big assumption. There may be value educationally in forcing students to learn how to do things on their own that an llm could do for them. And in that case, it’s the student failing their education if they circumvent it with an llm, not the institution’s.

zamadatix1y ago

At times there is value in that kind of approach, especially when the learning is specifically about those kinds of lower layers instead of higher concepts. As such, it's not that certain tools should be used in every assignment or never ever used, just whether they should be used commonly.

For most continued learning it's better if the university uses calculators, compilers, prepared learning materials, and other things that do stuff on behalf of the students instead of setting the bar permanently to "the student should want to engage everything at a base level or they must not be here to learn". It allows much more advanced learning to be done in the long run.

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zarathustreal1y ago

Universities do not provide knowledge, this is a romanticization of an ideal. They are about getting a passing grade and a certificate so that you can enter the workforce. The idea that you go to college to get an education is just a polite fiction to appease students and their parents

AdieuToLogicOP1y ago

> Universities do not provide knowledge, this is a romanticization[sic] of an ideal. They are about getting a passing grade and a certificate so that you can enter the workforce. The idea that you go to college to get an education is just a polite fiction to appease students and their parents

University is like a supermarket.

For some, they go there with a loose idea of what they want only to find ingredients not previously considered, often ending up with a better dining experience because of it.

For others, it is aisle after aisle of crap "Uber Eats" can deliver already made and without the hassle of having to cook it.

To each their own.

halfadot1y ago

For almost everyone in the world, the answer is the latter.

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zamadatix1y ago

alpinisme1y ago

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zarathustreal1y ago

AdieuToLogicOP1y ago

University is like a supermarket.

For some, they go there with a loose idea of what they want only to find ingredients not previously considered, often ending up with a better dining experience because of it.

For others, it is aisle after aisle of crap "Uber Eats" can deliver already made and without the hassle of having to cook it.

To each their own.

halfadot1y ago

For almost everyone in the world, the answer is the latter.

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