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0 pointsalmosthere1y ago0 comments

Cost of labor is the issue: china is enslaving people to work.

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Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

Literally forced labor camps. Of course, the PRC denies these allegations, but it certainly seems like there's some forced labor due to the numerous reports across many years of a variety of forced labor operations from these camps.

makeitshine1y ago

The US has forced prison labor. We can talk about how bad the Chinese government is, but their economy is not built on forced labor anymore than the US is built on prison labor.

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Clubber1y ago

Simple google search, first result:

https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...

SlightlyLeftPad1y ago

This doesn’t entirely prove that China is much worse off than the US here, since we appear to be comparing. It’s pretty clear that US has a lot of room for improvement at 3.3/thousand people compared to China’s 4.

DiggyJohnson1y ago· 3 in thread

Doesn't that feel like a massive overstatement? They have worse working conditions for sure. "Enslavement" is absurd if we are speaking about the macro level.

martin_a1y ago

Overstatement? China is going fully facist on the Uyghurs for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin...

jofla_net1y ago

Those nets tho...

astrange1y ago

There's nothing unusual about suicide nets in a place with a lot of people. They're on the Golden Gate Bridge but that doesn't mean SF is a sweatshop.

(The suicide rate at Foxconn is lower than average for China.)

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runako1y ago· 1 in thread

The US specifically outlawed slavery except among prisoners. The US also operates prison labor at very low rates.

I'm not sure this is a meaningful point of differentiation.

anon63621y ago

US corporations benefit today from slave labor by people housed in for-profit prisons where there are incentives to over-prosecute brown and poor people. These include, but aren't limited to:

- Aramark

- Avis

- IBM

- JCPenney

- Kmart

- McDonald's

- Nintendo

- Sprint

- Starbucks

- Verizon

- Walmart

- Wendy's

- Whole Foods/Amazon

AnthonyMouse1y ago

The other side of this coin is cost of living. If housing costs more in the US, so does everything else. If everything costs more, people have to be paid more in order to make a living, and that makes the US less competitive in the global labor market.

pjmlp1y ago

Seems pretty much like gig economy works in US.

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SlightlyLeftPad1y ago· 4 in thread

Source?

Kirby641y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

makeitshine1y ago

The US has forced prison labor. We can talk about how bad the Chinese government is, but their economy is not built on forced labor anymore than the US is built on prison labor.

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Clubber1y ago

Simple google search, first result:

https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...

SlightlyLeftPad1y ago

DiggyJohnson1y ago· 3 in thread

Doesn't that feel like a massive overstatement? They have worse working conditions for sure. "Enslavement" is absurd if we are speaking about the macro level.

martin_a1y ago

Overstatement? China is going fully facist on the Uyghurs for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin...

jofla_net1y ago

Those nets tho...

astrange1y ago

There's nothing unusual about suicide nets in a place with a lot of people. They're on the Golden Gate Bridge but that doesn't mean SF is a sweatshop.

(The suicide rate at Foxconn is lower than average for China.)

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runako1y ago· 1 in thread

The US specifically outlawed slavery except among prisoners. The US also operates prison labor at very low rates.

I'm not sure this is a meaningful point of differentiation.

anon63621y ago

US corporations benefit today from slave labor by people housed in for-profit prisons where there are incentives to over-prosecute brown and poor people. These include, but aren't limited to:

- Aramark

- Avis

- IBM

- JCPenney

- Kmart

- McDonald's

- Nintendo

- Sprint

- Starbucks

- Verizon

- Walmart

- Wendy's

- Whole Foods/Amazon

AnthonyMouse1y ago

pjmlp1y ago

Seems pretty much like gig economy works in US.

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