Java is dying and it paid off my mortgage (opens in new tab)

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20 pointsnkzd11mo ago22 comments

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Not dying at all. Other languages talk a good game about threads, Java has a good story about threads... and virtual threads. I'm writing large complex applications instead of fighting with the borrow checker to do what Software Tools did in the 1970s. When Valhalla drops, the performance gap will close a bit more.

nkzdOP11mo ago

Dying is maybe a strong word, but I think it's popularity is dropping. Couple of newer backend languages eating it's share of the pie, like Go or Typescript. I believe this trend will as more and more colleges replace Java curriculum with Python I guess.

dxxvi11mo ago

If a college replaces Java with Python, I wonder what their reasons are. Java's type system is ok (definitely not very good) but still much better than Python's which is almost empty (e.g. in Python we cannot declare an array of students, a dictionary of (ID, Student) pairs).

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znpy11mo ago

The missing parte here is a more modern web framework.

I played a bit with Spark/Javalin and it really felt like writing a Flask app, but on a properly multi-threaded runtime.

I don’t need Go or python, i need a frameworks that feels like Django.

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TheCoelacanth11mo ago

I'm pretty sure Java usage is still increasing, just not as fast as the industry in general.

stefanos8211mo ago

Far from dying...let's just say, is no longer in the spotlight; but it's definitely there, for sure!

tmottabr11mo ago

Java was popular in enterprises and enterprises system take ages to die..

So people will have to take care of this legacy code for ages..

But this is the future for Java, legacy code..

vladsanchez11mo ago

COBOL story ... perhaps to a lesser extent.

m46311mo ago

I remember when sun came out with java in the mid 90's.

I was always dumbfounded this "scripting" language, from Sun, didn't let you write code like:

   #!/usr/bin/java
   ...

I suspect lots of unix (linux) would be different if this had happened.

turboponyy11mo ago

You can do this in newer versions of Java (not sure since which), for what it's worth.

haglin11mo ago

Since JDK 11 (released in 2018).

"Launch Single-File Source-Code Programs" https://openjdk.org/jeps/330

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znpy11mo ago

Iirc there was sone kind of ld hack to let you run jar files via ./someApp.jar (basically telling ld how to launch a jar file)

nunez11mo ago

COBOL, FORTRAN and C are still widely used. A butt ton of code at Google is written in Java. Java ain't goin' nowhere.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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PaulHoule11mo ago

nkzdOP11mo ago

dxxvi11mo ago

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znpy11mo ago

The missing parte here is a more modern web framework.

I played a bit with Spark/Javalin and it really felt like writing a Flask app, but on a properly multi-threaded runtime.

I don’t need Go or python, i need a frameworks that feels like Django.

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TheCoelacanth11mo ago

I'm pretty sure Java usage is still increasing, just not as fast as the industry in general.

stefanos8211mo ago

Far from dying...let's just say, is no longer in the spotlight; but it's definitely there, for sure!

tmottabr11mo ago

Java was popular in enterprises and enterprises system take ages to die..

So people will have to take care of this legacy code for ages..

But this is the future for Java, legacy code..

vladsanchez11mo ago

COBOL story ... perhaps to a lesser extent.

m46311mo ago

I remember when sun came out with java in the mid 90's.

I was always dumbfounded this "scripting" language, from Sun, didn't let you write code like:

   #!/usr/bin/java
   ...

I suspect lots of unix (linux) would be different if this had happened.

turboponyy11mo ago

You can do this in newer versions of Java (not sure since which), for what it's worth.

haglin11mo ago

Since JDK 11 (released in 2018).

"Launch Single-File Source-Code Programs" https://openjdk.org/jeps/330

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znpy11mo ago

Iirc there was sone kind of ld hack to let you run jar files via ./someApp.jar (basically telling ld how to launch a jar file)

nunez11mo ago

COBOL, FORTRAN and C are still widely used. A butt ton of code at Google is written in Java. Java ain't goin' nowhere.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse