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0 pointsechelon1y ago0 comments

Overseas countries with worse labor laws.

It's the same thing that happens with industrialization.

This will naturally happen over time anyway, but unions will accelerate the trend.

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azemetre1y ago· 2 in thread

I don't understand how you can make these comments but not thread the needle that the problems you are worried about is strictly the result of capital. Acting as if labor creating a union means Capital should just pack up shop and leave is an extreme power imbalance.

This imbalance not only justifies the need for collective bargaining, but that there should be more regulations wielded against Capital to stop this imbalance.

A flourishing middle class helps a country prosper, a flourishing middle class means a strong labor class where Capital has limits and regulations on what they can inflict against civilians.

echelonOP1y ago

The capital flees almost in its entirety to non-union countries once unions grow in power, that's why.

Go ask the IATSE (film) folks how many jobs they're getting this year. (All their jobs left to developing economies in Eastern Europe and Asia. Cast gets flown out, but the crew are hired and based overseas.)

Unions contributed to the decline of US steel, US shipbuilding, US automotive, etc.

A worker can be both fungible and highly compensated. None of us are irreplaceable, and nor should we be. A union tries to put in artificial barriers where businesses need flexibility, and businesses really don't like that.

azemetre1y ago

The union had no choices when capital decides they want more money.

Look at what you're arguing here dude. You're blaming workers for trying to protect their jobs when the issue is that capital is too powerful and needs to be regulated more.

Even more odd you're mentioning shipbuilding an industry that use to have its workers centrally planned by the US government to provide educated skilled labor but was killed off in the 80s by the pro-corpo Reagan admin.

I do agree with you that we should do this more, regulate companies harsher while giving more protections to workers.

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