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0 pointsmoe13y ago0 comments

All of your points are invalid for a simple reason: Almost no software uses this fancy standard.

And for the backup-case: Whitelisting is usually a futile idea to begin with. Normally you'd prefer to backup the odd superfluous file rather than miss an important one.

Luckily most of the apps used on Linux systems now use it

Excuse me?

  $ find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name ".*" | wc -l
  228

  $ find ~/.local | wc -l
  4

  $ uname
  Linux

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Flimm13y ago

I counter your anecdote with my anecdote:

  $ find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name '.*' | wc -l
  354
  $ find ~/.local/ -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  3
  $ find ~/.local/share -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  66
  $ find ~/.config/ -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  108
  $ find ~/.cache/ -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  803
  $ uname
  Linux
  $ lsb_release -d
  Description:	Ubuntu 12.04 LTS

moeOP13y ago

That's interesting, and sort of disturbing.

My box is not a desktop, so that's probably the difference. I still find that scheme an atrocity.

When going to that length they could at least have settled for one directory (~/.appdata or whatever). Half-baked is the most polite description I can come up with.

mcpherrinm13y ago

But all those folders are different, so a single one would be annoying (or: require two layers.)

.config can be posted online, and shared with others (like the many "dotfile" repos you'll see on github)

.local needs to be backed up, and may have private data.

.cache can be blown away (or tmpfs.)

.run MUST be blown away on restart.

This is simple, sane, and works well.

moeOP13y ago

Yes, if you push me like that I'll say it: it's incompetently overdone.

When your goal is to "reduce clutter" then 2 layers would be the minimum. You make another 4(?) folders in my home-directory and call that reducing clutter?

And when I delete an app then I have to look in all of them? That is just utterly backwards for no conceivable reason.

Due to the semantics you now suddenly need a cronjob or similar abomination that traverses all home-directories and picks out stuff ("MUST" be blown away). This will by definition be fragile and have funny corner-cases in the first few iterations. Also what happens when ".run" is not blown away, like on a system that does't implement this nonsense?

The definitions are blurry and complex, many apps will get them wrong (.local vs .config etc.).

Unix already has a location for temp files. It's called /tmp.

And what the heck is going in .local anyways? When the user saves a file then he pretty surely doesn't want it buried under some dot-directory.

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ibotty13y ago

   % uname
   Linux
   % find ~/.local | wc -l
   16824
   % find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name ".*" | wc -l
   279

nucleardog13y ago

> % find ~/.local | wc -l

Missing something?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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Flimm13y ago

I counter your anecdote with my anecdote:

  $ find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name '.*' | wc -l
  354
  $ find ~/.local/ -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  3
  $ find ~/.local/share -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  66
  $ find ~/.config/ -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  108
  $ find ~/.cache/ -maxdepth 1 | wc -l
  803
  $ uname
  Linux
  $ lsb_release -d
  Description:	Ubuntu 12.04 LTS

moeOP13y ago

That's interesting, and sort of disturbing.

My box is not a desktop, so that's probably the difference. I still find that scheme an atrocity.

When going to that length they could at least have settled for one directory (~/.appdata or whatever). Half-baked is the most polite description I can come up with.

mcpherrinm13y ago

But all those folders are different, so a single one would be annoying (or: require two layers.)

.config can be posted online, and shared with others (like the many "dotfile" repos you'll see on github)

.local needs to be backed up, and may have private data.

.cache can be blown away (or tmpfs.)

.run MUST be blown away on restart.

This is simple, sane, and works well.

moeOP13y ago

Yes, if you push me like that I'll say it: it's incompetently overdone.

When your goal is to "reduce clutter" then 2 layers would be the minimum. You make another 4(?) folders in my home-directory and call that reducing clutter?

And when I delete an app then I have to look in all of them? That is just utterly backwards for no conceivable reason.

The definitions are blurry and complex, many apps will get them wrong (.local vs .config etc.).

Unix already has a location for temp files. It's called /tmp.

And what the heck is going in .local anyways? When the user saves a file then he pretty surely doesn't want it buried under some dot-directory.

1 more reply

ibotty13y ago

   % uname
   Linux
   % find ~/.local | wc -l
   16824
   % find ~ -maxdepth 1 -name ".*" | wc -l
   279

nucleardog13y ago

> % find ~/.local | wc -l

Missing something?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse