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0 points_heimdall1y ago0 comments

Its quite telling to me that you don't.

In both cases the executive branch is overstepping legal bounds and attempting to take actions that it isn't legally authorized to do.

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DangitBobby1y ago

Right, continuing a tradition of executive overreach to help indebted students get the dick out of their ass is the exact same thing as dismantling the federal government, installing loyalists, betraying allies, allying with dictators, and promising lots of money to billionaires. I intend for it to be telling that I don't see them as the same. We don't even live on the same fucking planet.

_heimdallOP1y ago

The issue isn't why laws were breached, only that the executive branch intentionally broke them.

The why behind it matters most for how emotional of a response it will invoke, but maybe I'm preaching to the choir here.

DangitBobby1y ago

I expect "illegal" action in the sense that it will sometimes turn out the executive doesn't have the authority to do it when tested by courts. I expect that to happen when the executive tries to push its agenda past an obstructionist Congress (for better or worse). It's not something I would consider "illegal" in the sense you could go to jail for doing it. But the reasons for acting a certain way absolutely matter here as they always do, and I am much more concerned about sanewashing with both-sideisms. Not just the reasons, but the extent to which he is willing to circumvent established systems of how basically everything works is much more concerning than attempting to pass EOs that are eventually struck down in the courts.

_heimdallOP1y ago

> Not just the reasons, but the extent to which he is willing to circumvent established systems of how basically everything works is much more concerning than attempting to pass EOs that are eventually struck down in the courts.

Hope you don't mind me continuing to pull on this thread, I'm genuinely interested to better understand where you have drawn the line here.

Biden was circumventing established systems when he tried to cancel student debts. He even tried again when the first attempt was blocked. Our higher education system, legal framework around student debt, and the debt industry as a whole was very well established and legally defined.

What is so different with Trump's executive orders? I get that you disagree with them, I disagree with many of them too, but legally I just don't see much light between the two. They both abuse executive orders in an attempt to Dodge existing legislation on the books and make change that the office has no authority to make.

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DangitBobby1y ago

_heimdallOP1y ago

The issue isn't why laws were breached, only that the executive branch intentionally broke them.

The why behind it matters most for how emotional of a response it will invoke, but maybe I'm preaching to the choir here.

DangitBobby1y ago

_heimdallOP1y ago

Hope you don't mind me continuing to pull on this thread, I'm genuinely interested to better understand where you have drawn the line here.

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