Can President Trump ignore Congress' spending laws? The debate over impoundment (opens in new tab)

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17 pointsdan353hehe1y ago5 comments

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This question recapitulates the debate around line-item vetoes in respect of spending bills [1][2]. Based on SCOTUS precedent, which admittedly doesn't mean much nowadays, it is unconstitutional [3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_S...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto

[3] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep...

ipython1y ago

I just submitted this link, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/15-years-after-its-brief-existe..., which talks about the line item veto. It's disheartening to think that when this happened 30 years ago under Clinton, it was a huge scandal and controversy. It's so quaint to think about that compared to the debacle with DOGE and the current administration.

And even with those headwinds, Clinton managed to balance the budget and eke out a small surplus! I give that a zero percent chance here, sadly.

bediger40001y ago

This seems like an easy "no" - why would we go through the effort of the House doing a spending bill, as constitutionally required. Seems implicit, and also traditional. Since the US has never done otherwise, that s the way it was when the US was great the first time around.

duxup1y ago

Let's say he can't ignore congress.

But let's say congress don't care to act ... does it matter / do laws mean anything then?

SCOTUS has decided the POTUS is off limits anyway ... does it even matter if congress or even the courts do anything?

I suspect SCOTUS likely thinks they were being a little nuanced letting Trump off the hook legally, but I think they just started the landslide that now they can't stop. The SCOTUS majority has created an inevitable situation where absolute power reaches its obvious ending ...

Terr_1y ago

Ideally "no", because otherwise the Presidency has a retroactive on-demand reversible line-item veto.

It's funny, in 2015 I pondered if a Trump presidency would be so terrible that, as a silver lining, the Legislative branch would be motivated to claw-back some of the power it has delegated to the Executive over the years.

As everyone knows, that's not how it turned out.

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