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0 pointssirolimus1y ago0 comments

Peace in Europe benefits everyone—not just the EU, but also the U.S., Asia, and even Russia itself. If we fail to invest in defense, we risk more death and suffering from unchecked Russian expansion and bullying.

It’s hard to see where you stand here. You seem unconcerned about Russia taking Ukraine and then the Baltic states, as if that would be a positive outcome.

Is the full surrender and merging of Ukraine into Russia something you desire?

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lazyeye1y ago· 5 in thread

What happens if Ukraine is given sufficient support to start winning and Putin decides to go nuclear?

I don't want Russia to win either but we also have to operate in reality.

YZF1y ago

Is the threat of Russia using nuclear weapons enough to let it take all of Ukraine? Other countries?

Russia is not going to use nuclear weapons.

inverted_flag1y ago

This has been the excuse for inaction since the invasion of Crimea. Clearly, Russia has no intention of stopping its westward expansion. Eventually we are going to have to bite the bullet.

sirolimusOP1y ago

Even if Ukraine starts winning, a nuclear strike by Putin would trigger a catastrophic response from NATO and the international community, causing mutual destruction.

Furthermore, with your logic there is nothing stopping Russia from keep chipping away at Europe because everyone is afraid that Russia will use nuclear weapons.

With that rational, you might as well annex the entirety of Europe and call it Russia because Europe wants peace.

lazyeye1y ago

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but we also need to understand what the reality of nuclear war means in the modern era.

https://youtu.be/za6tZB19E4c

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marcosscriven1y ago

Where does that logic end? Doesn’t that mean Putin just keeps going and going because we’re frightened?

cheema331y ago

> What happens if Ukraine is given sufficient support to start winning and Putin decides to go nuclear?

That is a possibility. But there is a large cost associated with going nuclear. And that is why he hasn't done it, even after losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers.

Also, if you give Putin what he wants, because he might go nuclear, then the race to develop nukes will really heat up by all non-nuclear nations.

US signed Budapest memorandum. We promised to help defend Ukraine, if it gave up its nukes. Now we are trying to shake them down like a mafia. And also asking them to give in to Putin's demands, without asking Putin to give up anything.

We have fallen very far.

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