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0 pointsdcow1y ago0 comments

Yes, it obviously works well. I use it occasionally too. The question is why, culturally, there hasn’t been the same push towards something else when all the reasons we migrated off IE now apply to Chrome. Maybe Google permanently won the “browser placement on the internet’s homepage” game?

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JohnBooty1y ago

I'm saying all of this as a FF diehard since before it was named FF... right up until today. I'll use FF until they pry it from my fingers.

Back in the IE6 vs. FF days... IE was inferior in every way. IE was crashy, had no tabs, pathetic/hostile developer tools, insecure, poor support for open web standards, etc.

But today?

The difference is that Chrome is really good, with great developer tools. It's a great user experience.

FF only really wins in terms of better extension API (allowing things like uBlock Origin) and the "moral superiority" of not being created by an advertising company, and serving as a bulwark against a browser engine monoculture. And among real privacy diehards, they're probably using something like PiHole which makes uBO perhaps superfluous for them.

But it doesn't out that even developers who should know better apparently DGAF about those things.

crtasm1y ago

There's a huge amount of ads/annoyances/3rd party embeds/etc. you can't block just using DNS. PiHole complements uBO but isn't a replacement for it.

tim3331y ago

Yeah that's mostly my thinking, IE6 was a pain in the neck that deserved to die. (no 8 on this list https://www.pcworld.com/article/535838/worst_products_ever.h...)

Chrome is fine.

Firefox is kind of mixed. I use it sometimes. One of the things everyone recommended was tree style tabs so I got those and was kind of amazed that to make them look ok you are supposed to get some custom css in your editor and send it to some obscure folder deep in the file system. And now the appearance has changed because some update worked differently with the hacked together css? That seems kind of clunky. Though maybe I'm doing it wrong.

The containers thing is cool.

JohnBooty1y ago

How do you feel about Google effectively controlling the web, since they control the browser with overwhelming market share?

Is that a factor, or...?

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JohnBooty1y ago

I'm saying all of this as a FF diehard since before it was named FF... right up until today. I'll use FF until they pry it from my fingers.

Back in the IE6 vs. FF days... IE was inferior in every way. IE was crashy, had no tabs, pathetic/hostile developer tools, insecure, poor support for open web standards, etc.

But today?

The difference is that Chrome is really good, with great developer tools. It's a great user experience.

But it doesn't out that even developers who should know better apparently DGAF about those things.

crtasm1y ago

There's a huge amount of ads/annoyances/3rd party embeds/etc. you can't block just using DNS. PiHole complements uBO but isn't a replacement for it.

tim3331y ago

Yeah that's mostly my thinking, IE6 was a pain in the neck that deserved to die. (no 8 on this list https://www.pcworld.com/article/535838/worst_products_ever.h...)

Chrome is fine.

The containers thing is cool.

JohnBooty1y ago

How do you feel about Google effectively controlling the web, since they control the browser with overwhelming market share?

Is that a factor, or...?

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j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse