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0 pointsintended1y ago0 comments

Then you do not have free speech, since this is what the rules of free speech are.

They are about ensuring that the government doesnt use its unique powers of force to ensure that certain ideas are not shared or discussed.

What the current government is doing, with Fox + Twitter, is fundamentally the opposite of free speech. They have the power to say something, then pretend it is true, and act on it.

Its not a fair fight.

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guappa1y ago

> Then you do not have free speech

Neither do you, unless you redefined it to be the super narrow description that you gave. So you can freely be censored but keep believing you have freedom.

You're the poster child of how europeans imagine usa citizens.

_heimdall1y ago

Governments can't censor what their citizens say. That's the only protection covered in the US constitution.

Private citizens and companies can censor. Twitter can have rules of conduct or terms of use, for example, and you have to play by their rules when posting on their service. The government isn't involved at all (twitter files not withstanding).

guappa1y ago

I understand how it works. I'm arguing you guys keep saying you have this "freedom of speech" when in fact you have absolutely nothing.

intendedOP1y ago

I guess.. it must be shocking to you? Seemingly absurd perhaps.

You can't say what you want in a shopping mall. They can decide who gets to stay in their premises, and for whatever reason they can eject you.

All the free speech cases, have been about government stopping speech. Whether its about deceny laws, or sedition - its always been the government vs a person / corporation.

So yeah - these have been the rights you lived under for all your life. Its never changed.

That is the operating definition of free speech that has worked in America since I started working in this space.

guappa1y ago

> That is the operating definition of free speech that has worked in America since I started working in this space.

It hasn't worked. But you're too set in "USA IS PERFECT!" mindset to objectively think about it.

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0 pointsintended1y ago0 comments

Then you do not have free speech, since this is what the rules of free speech are.

They are about ensuring that the government doesnt use its unique powers of force to ensure that certain ideas are not shared or discussed.

What the current government is doing, with Fox + Twitter, is fundamentally the opposite of free speech. They have the power to say something, then pretend it is true, and act on it.

Its not a fair fight.

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guappa1y ago

> Then you do not have free speech

Neither do you, unless you redefined it to be the super narrow description that you gave. So you can freely be censored but keep believing you have freedom.

You're the poster child of how europeans imagine usa citizens.

_heimdall1y ago

Governments can't censor what their citizens say. That's the only protection covered in the US constitution.

guappa1y ago

I understand how it works. I'm arguing you guys keep saying you have this "freedom of speech" when in fact you have absolutely nothing.

intendedOP1y ago

I guess.. it must be shocking to you? Seemingly absurd perhaps.

You can't say what you want in a shopping mall. They can decide who gets to stay in their premises, and for whatever reason they can eject you.

All the free speech cases, have been about government stopping speech. Whether its about deceny laws, or sedition - its always been the government vs a person / corporation.

So yeah - these have been the rights you lived under for all your life. Its never changed.

That is the operating definition of free speech that has worked in America since I started working in this space.

guappa1y ago

> That is the operating definition of free speech that has worked in America since I started working in this space.

It hasn't worked. But you're too set in "USA IS PERFECT!" mindset to objectively think about it.

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