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0 pointsttpphd1y ago0 comments

Throwing your hands up in the air like this doesn't help build a constructive case for using the word reasoning. It builds a case that words mean whatever

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kelseyfrog1y ago

Yes, words mean whatever. See Saussure and Wittgenstein. To advance the claim that words are objective is to confuse the symbolic with the real.

This is generally regarded by engineer-types as false, but societal taboos and power structures can be revealed by noting what speech provokes the strongest reactions.

psychoslave1y ago

Saussure didn't use"arbitrary" in the sense "with absolutely unrestricted selection of signifiant/signifié association regardless of the context."

I'm not sure what links you try to show and what you try to argue here though.

ttpphdOP1y ago

"societal taboos and power structures can be revealed by noting what speech provokes the strongest reactions"

Ok I'll bite. Who is the marginalized Other?

kelseyfrog1y ago

It's taboo to believe that LLMs can reason. People who believe this are systematically de-legitimized and framed as being out of or at least out of touch with reality.

This will appear as common sense or naturally true if you're inside the LLMs-cant-reason ideology.

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kelseyfrog1y ago

Yes, words mean whatever. See Saussure and Wittgenstein. To advance the claim that words are objective is to confuse the symbolic with the real.

This is generally regarded by engineer-types as false, but societal taboos and power structures can be revealed by noting what speech provokes the strongest reactions.

psychoslave1y ago

Saussure didn't use"arbitrary" in the sense "with absolutely unrestricted selection of signifiant/signifié association regardless of the context."

I'm not sure what links you try to show and what you try to argue here though.

ttpphdOP1y ago

"societal taboos and power structures can be revealed by noting what speech provokes the strongest reactions"

Ok I'll bite. Who is the marginalized Other?

kelseyfrog1y ago

It's taboo to believe that LLMs can reason. People who believe this are systematically de-legitimized and framed as being out of or at least out of touch with reality.

This will appear as common sense or naturally true if you're inside the LLMs-cant-reason ideology.

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