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0 pointsjibe1y ago0 comments

China has forced Apple to outsource iCloud in China to a state run company, so all data is just directly controlled by the government there. It’s an even worse situation.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754

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agloe_dreams1y ago

That is just China's general rules around tech. Awful? Yes. But not a global issue. Most non-chinese companies are forced to have their chinese properties ran by a chinese company. This is shown by companies like VW having cars made in china with effectively a license model, these cars are designed and built by a third party with a few interesting exceptions (VW actually licensed a design, the Taos, back and shipped it worldwide)

The insane overreach was the UK wanting data on people not in the UK

csomar1y ago

How is this worse? This only affects users in China.

lern_too_spel1y ago

And users who communicate with users in China using Apple services.

GoblinSlayer1y ago

They can send encrypted PGP messages, e2e was figured out in 1991.

Spivak1y ago

We literally tried to do this with TikTok. We can't exactly stand on a high-horse when the highest level of government in the US was totally fine with it.

Our noble "we can't have American data in the hands of our enemies," their savage "forcing American companies to turn over user data."

compootr1y ago

I disagree. Apple is a hardware company but TT is a shithole social media

in other words, you store much more data on a phone versus a doomscrolling app[*]

*: unless you make videos and publish PII in them :)

flaminHotSpeedo1y ago

Edit: I misread the comment tree, I thought this comment was equating the TikTok situation to the UK's request.

I agree that the TikTok demands are pretty similar, though I might quibble over whether they're literally the same, since arrangements like that are the status quo in China but not in the US

Original comment below:

How is "remove foreign control of data on our nation's users" remotely the same as "give us access to foreign users' data"?

They're not even figuratively the same, despite you literally misusing that word

joshuaissac1y ago

It's not clear which scenario you are referring to.

If by "give us access to foreign users' data", you mean TikTok, then ByteDance is only required to sell the US portion of TikTok to American buyers. If you mean iCloud, then Apple is only required to keep Chinese users' data on local servers.

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guappa1y ago

At least the CIA doesn't get it… dunno which is worse.

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