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0 pointspcwalton1y ago0 comments

> It provides quite a few compile time checks and primitives to catch memory leaks or prevent them altogether.

From what I've seen, clang has all of these and more for C++. If your metric is "tooling to help you catch UB", C++ is significantly superior to Zig.

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chrisco2551y ago

Zig has a C and C++ compiler built into it and works seamlessly with it. Several C/C++ projects use Zig as a build tool. Zig makes different trade-offs with C++ from a language design standpoint. C++ has a lot more footguns to create UB in the first place.

pcwaltonOP1y ago

> C++ has a lot more footguns to create UB in the first place.

I'd actually give the edge to C++ over Zig, because of smart pointers (not that I'm implying smart pointers are anywhere near sufficient).

brabel1y ago

WTH they were talking about Rust and Zig, they did not even mention C++ and you come with "if your metrics is blah then C++ is superior, checkmate!", completely ignoring C++ is a monster of complexity while Zig is basically simple as C.

Ygg21y ago

If you present an argument that you like X in a thing so you picked B, and A exist that's more X than B, it means your argument is partially (you like X and Z) or totally (you like Y) wrong.

In this context of, if you are using Zig for its safety via tooling, there is a much more mature candidate C++.

brabel1y ago

That's exactly what I was criticizing: you just make the unfounded assumption that "argument that you like X" is the only thing that matters, and the debate is not only about X in the context of languages A and B. Introducing C to the debate is stupid, as then the obvious answer is just "but C has Y which is horrile" and so on.

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chrisco2551y ago

pcwaltonOP1y ago

> C++ has a lot more footguns to create UB in the first place.

I'd actually give the edge to C++ over Zig, because of smart pointers (not that I'm implying smart pointers are anywhere near sufficient).

brabel1y ago

Ygg21y ago

If you present an argument that you like X in a thing so you picked B, and A exist that's more X than B, it means your argument is partially (you like X and Z) or totally (you like Y) wrong.

In this context of, if you are using Zig for its safety via tooling, there is a much more mature candidate C++.

brabel1y ago

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