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0 pointsjimmydoe1y ago0 comments

One thing CCP did masterfully is sending very young grads, who are newly admitted to the party, to go to different local communities and evaluate the outcome government project like poverty reduction there (because obviously Xi don’t trust local officials and party members). These young people have a lot of energy to make some impact, also too young to lie or corrupt. The result turned out to be actually effective.

There are quite some admiration for CCP from the american new right like moldbug and musk, It seems either they took a page from CCP, or happen to think alike.

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turbojet13211y ago· 4 in thread

> too young to lie or corrupt

In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility.

jorvi1y ago

Young people often are hopelessly ideological, in the same way a dogmatic religious person would be. Both are less corruptible than your average person.

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tivert1y ago

> In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility.

It has a lot to do with naivete and not having the confidence to stand up when needed.

There's a lot of easily indoctrinated, exploitable idealistic youth out there. A lot of organizations run on them.

leftcenterright1y ago

isn't it more like "too young to speak up" ? How many Snowdens do we have after all.

jimmydoeOP1y ago

I mean their social experience is usually not enough to conduct sophisticated rent seeking or reach some comprise with local officials.

Young grads from big urban usually don’t do well with local mid aged bureaucrats. That type of human nature tension is what’s being leveraged here.

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zfg1y ago· 1 in thread

> too young to lie or corrupt

Too young to have the experience to know what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. Too young to question what they're doing. Too young to push back when things are going wrong. Too young to have life experience and so are far easier to shape and indoctrinate.

Musk pledged his commitment to China's core socialist values: https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledgin...

Musk advocated for the submission of Taiwan to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk...

Musk thinks China rocks: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro...

jimmydoeOP1y ago

What Xi/Musk need in these cases is loyalty, not critical thinking. Apparently they both know how to leverage the youth for it.

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dtquad1y ago· 1 in thread

Many high-ranking Chinese officials, including Xi Jinping (Chemical Engineering) and his predecessors like Hu Jintao (Hydraulic Engineering) and Jiang Zemin (Electrical Engineering), are trained engineers.

They also like economics and finance people. Premier Li Keqiang has a PhD in Economics from Peking University. Zhu Rongji, a former premier, had a strong economics and mathematics background.

I am not a fan of American techno-libertarianism nor the Chinese CCP but Europe needs more engineers and economists (from math heavy programs) in politics.

jimmydoeOP1y ago

Not to challenge your conclusion but you might want to examine your examples carefully. AFAIK Xi Jinping is widely believed to be close to illiterate…

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saturn86011y ago

My understanding is that local Chinese municipalities are going bankrupt due to the high amounts of debt that they have?

[1]:https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/economy/china-local-governmen...

They are going through a real estate crash and their demographic situation bodes a very bleak long term future.

h1fra1y ago

Maybe the difference here, is that those young people seems to already be corrupted and doing illegal stuff

philipwhiuk1y ago

The CCP also send young agents overseas to infiltrate organisations that don't have adequate security controls.

Like DOGE.

ImHereToVote1y ago

CPC

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13 comments · 7 top-level

turbojet13211y ago· 4 in thread

> too young to lie or corrupt

In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility.

jorvi1y ago

Young people often are hopelessly ideological, in the same way a dogmatic religious person would be. Both are less corruptible than your average person.

6 more replies

tivert1y ago

> In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility.

It has a lot to do with naivete and not having the confidence to stand up when needed.

There's a lot of easily indoctrinated, exploitable idealistic youth out there. A lot of organizations run on them.

leftcenterright1y ago

isn't it more like "too young to speak up" ? How many Snowdens do we have after all.

jimmydoeOP1y ago

I mean their social experience is usually not enough to conduct sophisticated rent seeking or reach some comprise with local officials.

Young grads from big urban usually don’t do well with local mid aged bureaucrats. That type of human nature tension is what’s being leveraged here.

2 more replies

zfg1y ago· 1 in thread

> too young to lie or corrupt

Musk pledged his commitment to China's core socialist values: https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledgin...

Musk advocated for the submission of Taiwan to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk...

Musk thinks China rocks: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro...

jimmydoeOP1y ago

What Xi/Musk need in these cases is loyalty, not critical thinking. Apparently they both know how to leverage the youth for it.

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dtquad1y ago· 1 in thread

They also like economics and finance people. Premier Li Keqiang has a PhD in Economics from Peking University. Zhu Rongji, a former premier, had a strong economics and mathematics background.

I am not a fan of American techno-libertarianism nor the Chinese CCP but Europe needs more engineers and economists (from math heavy programs) in politics.

jimmydoeOP1y ago

Not to challenge your conclusion but you might want to examine your examples carefully. AFAIK Xi Jinping is widely believed to be close to illiterate…

2 more replies

saturn86011y ago

My understanding is that local Chinese municipalities are going bankrupt due to the high amounts of debt that they have?

[1]:https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/economy/china-local-governmen...

They are going through a real estate crash and their demographic situation bodes a very bleak long term future.

h1fra1y ago

Maybe the difference here, is that those young people seems to already be corrupted and doing illegal stuff

philipwhiuk1y ago

The CCP also send young agents overseas to infiltrate organisations that don't have adequate security controls.

Like DOGE.

ImHereToVote1y ago

CPC

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse