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0 pointsarrosenberg1y ago0 comments

> I guess we got the government we voted for? And since it’s a democracy, I suppose that means we have exactly the government we deserve?

Well, we voted based on the only two options that were shoved down our throats by various groups of the wealthiest people on the planet. I don't personally think we deserve this, why would we? That said, if we don't do something, it won't get better.

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bilbo0s1y ago· 5 in thread

we voted based on the only two options that were shoved down our throats by various groups of the wealthiest people on the planet

Well, we should have made a system that didn’t allow the wealthiest people on the planet to do that.

Not trying to be flip, I’m just trying to point out that it still all comes back to us in the end. We just have to hope for the best at this point. Buyer’s remorse is not gonna change the actions these people are likely to take.

I do agree with you when you say, something needs to be done. If these pres-vice pres pairings are the best the current system could come up with, then obviously there is a need to add some new aspects to the system that might encourage more competence in the candidates it produces.

gameman1441y ago

> Well, we should have made a system that didn’t allow the wealthiest people on the planet to do that.

This feels correct-ish, but also pretty unrealistic. If you're born into a system where you have to choose between getting slapped and getting stabbed, then obviously the system shouldn't have been made that way -- that doesn't change the fact that it is that way, and you have to act within that system regardless of what ought to be the system instead.

arrosenbergOP1y ago

I agree to an extent. Most of us are either still young, or just getting our bearings and seeing the problems as adults in the last 10 or so years. I feel comfortable saying that, knowing the demographics of the site. Most of us had little-to-no ability to shape the current situation. Our window has just opened.

spencerflem1y ago

or closed forever

spencerflem1y ago

We didn't make the system, some slavers hundreds of years ago did.

It seems like we won't have to worry about the current system much longer though

philjohn1y ago

No, but enough people voted for the party that put the supreme court justices in place who ruled on citizens united over the years.

Voting isn't a one time thing, it has repercussions that can be felt decades later (see shortages of ATC because of the actions of Reagan in the 80's).

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krapp1y ago· 3 in thread

We had two options, and we chose the greater evil. We absolutely deserve what's coming.

mythrwy1y ago

Increased prosperity, intelligent leadership and lawful order? I'll take it!

tombert1y ago

Ok, so you stalked my comment history so I stalked yours.

What about the Trump administration is "intelligent"? Trump lies about everything. Pointing out other politicians lie isn't a good comeback. Trump lacks all understanding of how tariffs work, he said he was going to "repeal and replace" Obamacare on "day 1" in 2016, only to say he has "concepts of a plan" in 2024, whatever the fuck that means. He rarely has "ideas", he just bitches about stuff and handwaves away everything when pressed for any details.

"Lawful order"? I don't know that that means. I would say that writing a lot of executive orders that go directly against the constitution is literally the opposite of "lawful order", but you're free to disagree.

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arunabha1y ago

I guess time will tell if you're right. I hope you're right, because if not, we are in for very dark times.

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bilbo0s1y ago· 5 in thread

we voted based on the only two options that were shoved down our throats by various groups of the wealthiest people on the planet

Well, we should have made a system that didn’t allow the wealthiest people on the planet to do that.

gameman1441y ago

> Well, we should have made a system that didn’t allow the wealthiest people on the planet to do that.

arrosenbergOP1y ago

spencerflem1y ago

or closed forever

spencerflem1y ago

We didn't make the system, some slavers hundreds of years ago did.

It seems like we won't have to worry about the current system much longer though

philjohn1y ago

No, but enough people voted for the party that put the supreme court justices in place who ruled on citizens united over the years.

Voting isn't a one time thing, it has repercussions that can be felt decades later (see shortages of ATC because of the actions of Reagan in the 80's).

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krapp1y ago· 3 in thread

We had two options, and we chose the greater evil. We absolutely deserve what's coming.

mythrwy1y ago

Increased prosperity, intelligent leadership and lawful order? I'll take it!

tombert1y ago

Ok, so you stalked my comment history so I stalked yours.

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arunabha1y ago

I guess time will tell if you're right. I hope you're right, because if not, we are in for very dark times.

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