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0 pointsbuyucu1y ago0 comments

I'm willing to bet ''ban DeepSeek'' voices will start soon. Why compete, when you can just ban?

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They've started already, I've seen posts on LinkedIn implying or outright stating that DeepSeek is a national security risk (IMHO, LinkedIn being the social media outlet most corporate-sycophantic). I went ahead and just picked this one at random from my feed.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kevinkeller_deepseek-privacy-...

csomar1y ago

At least this guy can differentiate between running your own model and using the web/mobile app where DeepSeek process your data. I've watched a TV show yesterday (I think it was France24) where the "experts" can't really tell the difference or are not aware of it. Shut down the TV and went to sleep.

ijidak1y ago

NBC Nightly News, on Monday, had an expert -- at 8:05 in the video -- who claimed there might be national security risks to Deepseek.

I'm not going to take a side on whether there is or not.

But, it does sound reminiscent of the reasons used to ban Tik-tok.

https://youtu.be/uE6F6eTyAVc?si=BLZo3FMVRvjEy6Xa

Mistletoe1y ago

Next they will say it is to protect the children and that terrorists use it. You start to recognize the playbook after about the millionth time.

ulbu1y ago

as if openai is not an (inter)national security risk

flybarrel1y ago

Oh this post...calling out DeepSeek's T&C but not comparing it with OpenAI's is really disingenuous IMO.

walthamstow1y ago

Seen the same with censorship. Deepseek is a CCP pamphlet apparently, but rarely is it compared to OpenAI in the same breath.

zelphirkalt1y ago

Actually asking for banning DeepSeek would be the ultimate admit of defeat by ClosedAI.

cscurmudgeon1y ago

No need to ban DeepSeek, just ban Chinese companies from using US frontier models.

buyucuOP1y ago

that will have no effect. best frontier models are now chinese.

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vitaflo1y ago

All you would do by banning it is killing US progress in AI. The rest of the world is still going to be able to use DS. You're just giving the rest of the world a leg up.

TikTok is a consumption tool, DS is a productive one. They aren't the same.

wqaatwt1y ago

What’s so special about DeepSeek, though? I mean anyone else can replicate their methods and catch up. They don’t have a moat anyway.

Freedom21y ago

Competing is hard and expensive, whereas banning is for sure the faster way to make stock values go up and exec's total package as a result.

cscurmudgeon1y ago

Banning worked for China all these decades.

caseyy1y ago

It’s simply because banning removes a market force in the US that’d drive technological advancement.

This is already evident with CNSA/NASA, Huawei/Android, TikTok/Western social media. The Western tech gets mothballed because we stick our heads in the sand and pretend we are undisputed leaders of the world in tech, whereas it is slowly becoming disputable.

cscurmudgeon1y ago

The US won't ban DeepSeek from US, but more likely we will ban DeepSeek (and other Chinese companies) from accessing US frontier models.

> Western tech gets mothballed because we stick our heads in the sand and pretend we are undisputed leaders of the world in tech, whereas it is slowly becoming disputable.

I am hearing Chinese tech is now the best and they achieved it with banning things left and right.

Kj8nM2pL1y ago

The Chinese companies are almost always at each other's throat instead of colluding with each other. It's all about competition.

razster1y ago

The fact it is out and improving day by day. Unsloth.ai is on a roll with their advancements. If DeepSeek is banned hundreds more will popup and change the data ever so slightly to skirt the ban. Pandora's box exploded on this one.

Logiar1y ago

I'd imagine a ban would be on their service, not the model itself.

namuol1y ago

Already happening within tech company policy. Mostly as a security concern. Local or controlled hosting of the model is okay in theory based on this concern, but it taints everything regarding deepseek in effect.

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cmiles741y ago

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kevinkeller_deepseek-privacy-...

csomar1y ago

ijidak1y ago

NBC Nightly News, on Monday, had an expert -- at 8:05 in the video -- who claimed there might be national security risks to Deepseek.

I'm not going to take a side on whether there is or not.

But, it does sound reminiscent of the reasons used to ban Tik-tok.

https://youtu.be/uE6F6eTyAVc?si=BLZo3FMVRvjEy6Xa

Mistletoe1y ago

Next they will say it is to protect the children and that terrorists use it. You start to recognize the playbook after about the millionth time.

ulbu1y ago

as if openai is not an (inter)national security risk

flybarrel1y ago

Oh this post...calling out DeepSeek's T&C but not comparing it with OpenAI's is really disingenuous IMO.

walthamstow1y ago

Seen the same with censorship. Deepseek is a CCP pamphlet apparently, but rarely is it compared to OpenAI in the same breath.

zelphirkalt1y ago

Actually asking for banning DeepSeek would be the ultimate admit of defeat by ClosedAI.

cscurmudgeon1y ago

No need to ban DeepSeek, just ban Chinese companies from using US frontier models.

buyucuOP1y ago

that will have no effect. best frontier models are now chinese.

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vitaflo1y ago

All you would do by banning it is killing US progress in AI. The rest of the world is still going to be able to use DS. You're just giving the rest of the world a leg up.

TikTok is a consumption tool, DS is a productive one. They aren't the same.

wqaatwt1y ago

What’s so special about DeepSeek, though? I mean anyone else can replicate their methods and catch up. They don’t have a moat anyway.

Freedom21y ago

Competing is hard and expensive, whereas banning is for sure the faster way to make stock values go up and exec's total package as a result.

cscurmudgeon1y ago

Banning worked for China all these decades.

caseyy1y ago

It’s simply because banning removes a market force in the US that’d drive technological advancement.

cscurmudgeon1y ago

The US won't ban DeepSeek from US, but more likely we will ban DeepSeek (and other Chinese companies) from accessing US frontier models.

> Western tech gets mothballed because we stick our heads in the sand and pretend we are undisputed leaders of the world in tech, whereas it is slowly becoming disputable.

I am hearing Chinese tech is now the best and they achieved it with banning things left and right.

Kj8nM2pL1y ago

The Chinese companies are almost always at each other's throat instead of colluding with each other. It's all about competition.

razster1y ago

Logiar1y ago

I'd imagine a ban would be on their service, not the model itself.

namuol1y ago

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