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0 pointsrighthand1y ago0 comments

> science has never had a seat at the table in the West.

Other than science being the entire reason the US were able to corner the fascists in WW2. Let a lone all the scientific break throughs in the last few decades coming from the West. Heck before WWII, the automobile?

Perhaps you meant it wasn’t primarily embraced.

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roenxi1y ago

1. There was an entire sentence, taking the second part without the first ("Speech standards should be determined by public opinion") removes essential context.

2. The fascists were Westerners (and leaders in science/technology, for that matter, the US didn't beat them with more technology).

righthandOP1y ago

I still disagree, science has had a seat at the table in the West especially around speech. Speech was either locked down using control of technologies or speech was empowered using proliferation of technologies.

worik1y ago

> science being the entire reason the US were able to corner the fascists in WW2

Not to my knowledge

Economic heft had a lot to do with it as did the weight of numbers

I love science, BTW. But it is not the source of all knowledge.

righthandOP1y ago

We took their scientists, broke their codes, and built a bomb that took out two cities. That requires science in my book.

worik1y ago

For the Japanese. The war was shortened. But by the time of the bomb they were doomed. They could not replace their losses like the Americans could

The Germans were beaten mostly by the Soviets. They (the Germans) were overwhelmed. And they too could not replace their losses like the Soviets could. Especially humans

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0 pointsrighthand1y ago0 comments

> science has never had a seat at the table in the West.

Perhaps you meant it wasn’t primarily embraced.

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roenxi1y ago

1. There was an entire sentence, taking the second part without the first ("Speech standards should be determined by public opinion") removes essential context.

2. The fascists were Westerners (and leaders in science/technology, for that matter, the US didn't beat them with more technology).

righthandOP1y ago

worik1y ago

> science being the entire reason the US were able to corner the fascists in WW2

Not to my knowledge

Economic heft had a lot to do with it as did the weight of numbers

I love science, BTW. But it is not the source of all knowledge.

righthandOP1y ago

We took their scientists, broke their codes, and built a bomb that took out two cities. That requires science in my book.

worik1y ago

For the Japanese. The war was shortened. But by the time of the bomb they were doomed. They could not replace their losses like the Americans could

The Germans were beaten mostly by the Soviets. They (the Germans) were overwhelmed. And they too could not replace their losses like the Soviets could. Especially humans

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