DeepSeek temporarily limits registration to Chinese mobile numbers (opens in new tab)

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13 pointssabas_ge1y ago11 comments

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As someone who follows AI basically minute-to-minute, I'm a little confused about why everyone is freaking out so much about DeepSeek & R1. Normal (non-tech) people are asking me about it today. The stock market is freaking out.

Why is this news—which is mostly technical and incremental—causing such panic?

verdverm1y ago

They seem to have matched OpenAI model capability on a fraction of the resources. R1 is roughly as good as o1 and can be run locally. There are some interesting contributions in the paper too. So I see it as two parts, (1) the money, lots invested, wondering if they will ever make it back now (2) China showing impressive results while being handicapped by the West

https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.12948

Keep an eye on the effort to reproduce here: https://github.com/huggingface/open-r1

We will see if the (over?) reaction matches reality in time. Media sure loves to whipsaw us all around

turnsout1y ago

That's all cool, but this has been the cat and mouse game with "open" models for years now, right?

verdverm1y ago

Open models have only really become useful in the last year or so and still required significant investment to build. They have still lagged behind closed models in capability. though still not matching the best models, this shows that the gap has closed significantly and the cost to produce should be much lower.

Another thing to consider is society & the market is not currently rationale, lots of wild swings, over reactions, messaging & beliefs at the extremes

stogot1y ago

MIT license

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Jimmc4141y ago

The big news with DeepSeek-R1 is that it only takes ~800k samples of 'good' RL reasoning to convert other models into RL-reasoners.

They successfully distilled the reasoning capabilities from larger models into much smaller ones. e.g. Their 14B model outperforms other 32B models.

HansItsMe1y ago

China's AI says it is using less power and cost less, yet what I heard is that it's more powerful. How can it be? I know that China lies about it, but can people be that gullible to believe that?

RunOutOfMemory1y ago

Due to large-scale malicious attacks on DeepSeek's services, we are temporarily limiting registrations to ensure continued service. Existing users can log in as usual. Thanks for your understanding and support.

nytesky1y ago

Has deepseek spend been independently audited? Also, does it have similar national security concerns as TikTok?

ncr50121y ago

No, it has not been audited, and it has strong incentives to lie about its costs as if it announced costs anywhere near OpenAI it would be admitting to violating US Law.

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turnsout1y ago

Why is this news—which is mostly technical and incremental—causing such panic?

verdverm1y ago

https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.12948

Keep an eye on the effort to reproduce here: https://github.com/huggingface/open-r1

We will see if the (over?) reaction matches reality in time. Media sure loves to whipsaw us all around

turnsout1y ago

That's all cool, but this has been the cat and mouse game with "open" models for years now, right?

verdverm1y ago

Another thing to consider is society & the market is not currently rationale, lots of wild swings, over reactions, messaging & beliefs at the extremes

stogot1y ago

MIT license

1 more reply

Jimmc4141y ago

The big news with DeepSeek-R1 is that it only takes ~800k samples of 'good' RL reasoning to convert other models into RL-reasoners.

They successfully distilled the reasoning capabilities from larger models into much smaller ones. e.g. Their 14B model outperforms other 32B models.

HansItsMe1y ago

China's AI says it is using less power and cost less, yet what I heard is that it's more powerful. How can it be? I know that China lies about it, but can people be that gullible to believe that?

RunOutOfMemory1y ago

nytesky1y ago

Has deepseek spend been independently audited? Also, does it have similar national security concerns as TikTok?

ncr50121y ago

No, it has not been audited, and it has strong incentives to lie about its costs as if it announced costs anywhere near OpenAI it would be admitting to violating US Law.

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