Calling women 'household objects' now permitted on Facebook (opens in new tab)

(cnn.com)

29 pointsSigmundurM1y ago33 comments

33 comments

I am all for real free speech about anything. It's just never real free speech; it's always censored and influenced (drowned out or amplified which is basically the same thing) in some direction. X is not free speech and this won't be either.

What I do hope is that this will drive the banning of Meta, X and others from the EU. I know this will hurt a lot of people short term, but long term, we might be the only part of the world without a severe mental illness epidemic.

raxxor1y ago

I think the people most influenced be terrible influences by people like Musk are those that mirror this opinion.

Banning social media sites is a pretty draconian approach that probably will not work anyway and I believe it to be completely reactionary. The EU formerly did have influence on Twitter content. They lost that and aren't too happy about that.

I think it was a necessary correction and I don't want to live in the EU silo and I don't trust their DSA "trusted flaggers". What do they ban next, HN? I don't think it has official fact checkers either.

mantas1y ago

EU as in some bureaucrats in Brussels ain't too happy. As a citizen of EU member, I'm pretty happy some little known societal control by non-elected bureaucrats is gone.

soco1y ago

Do you mean free speech as in not getting the government after you, or free speech as in not getting beaten by the guy next to you? Because I cannot imagine the second category ever happening - if you live in a society you must weigh your words. Internet made spewing hate around a viable option (difficult to get beaten when you swear at people online) so now some expect it also in their real lives.

tappaseater1y ago

When Zuck said on Jan 7th, 2025, that he wants to work with President Trump to oppose states threatening free speech, he wasn't talking about China. It was 100% the EU and its regulations. The quid pro quo starts to emerge.

mantas1y ago

If he wants to fight ever-coming-back EU chat supervising bill, more power to him. But I guess that's not about it :(

Pinegulf1y ago

Good. I want to know who think on these lines. Helps me to pick better company.

BitterCritter1y ago

I wonder what strange little people this rule was removed for. Sexism just stupefies me and I wonder how someone with the intelligence to breath could render such words.

mantas1y ago

Looks like there was no specific rule. But some so-called journalists tried to think of what some people they dislike might say now that a rule they like is gone.

BitterCritter1y ago

If a rule blocks someone from saying something then that rule is for that. There is a specific rule if they couldn’t say it before. What are you saying what does that mean?

rich_sasha1y ago

I can understand simplifying moderation rules (making the less verbose, but by extension seemingly allowing some new things) but actually taking the time to spell out that these things are allowed, as the article alleges, seems bizarre.

ChrisArchitect1y ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42621627

the_gipsy1y ago

What happened to Zuckerberg? I thought they were the Democrat side, they had to testify in congress about it, and now Musk bought out twitter and the Republicans won the elections. Is this a move to avoid getting facebook and instagram getting killed somehow by twitter and the republican government?

olivergregory1y ago

He's an opportunist, always has been, always will be. Opportunists don't have sides: they roll all the times.

TechRemarker1y ago

He's on the "winning" side. Even Apple (Tim Cook) along with all the other major CEO's are groveling understandably since the upcoming administration could severely damage any of their businesses once in power.

chewz1y ago

October 7th happened...

The turning point had been last year when Zuckenberg explained to Congress that Administration forced Facebook to manipulate public opinion but he now regrets it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unpacking-mark-zuckerbergs...

mcphage1y ago

> I thought they were the Democrat side, they had to testify in congress about it

Maybe you thought wrong.

the_gipsy1y ago

Are you saying they were pushing the same thing twitter / Musk does? Openly or secretely? Or that he just switched sides when convenient?

I genuinely want to understand this, I'm not american.

pyrale1y ago

"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them... well, I have others"

d3vmax1y ago

Asslicking the next admin to ban tiktok and create a moat.

mantas1y ago

Thank you CNN for bringing up creative ideas...

Oras1y ago

It’s not shame on any media making these article, it’s shame that there are people still reading this shitrag and similar shitrags.

raxxor1y ago

This is outrage bait and pretty low even for CNN.

Oras1y ago

They made a report showing alleged prisoner in Syria who turned to be an intelligent officer in Assad’s regime. So don’t expect any better.

Source https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/16/middleeast/syria-assad-pr...

astrange1y ago

Those two things certainly aren't in conflict, jailing your own people is pretty typical.

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tledakis1y ago

Why do you say that? I checked the policy change and they have removed the literal "don't do this" example and the whole category above it.

Seeing as FB moderation was already lax on hate speech, do you think calling women 'household objects' will not be permitted in the future FB?

mantas1y ago

It was not lax, but bent in strange ways.

E.g. FB was banning people for using a historical term when discussing Russian-Ukraine war - „Muscovite“. Which has no derogatory connotations mind you. Besides reminding that modern Russia started as Duchy of Moscow. And to make distinction between Rus/Ruthenian people (e.g. Kievan Rus) and modern Russia. Yet FB considered it hate speech for some god forsaken reason.

adastra221y ago

FB moderation has been a complete failure compared to Twitter’s community notes system. This is Meta switching from authoritarian moderation to community-driven notes. This should be presented as a good thing, but every news outlet out there is spinning it negatively as “Facebook is removing all moderation.” No mention of what they are adding in its place.

underseacables1y ago

I just hope we can get past the era of people, and the media, being so outraged by everything.

mcphage1y ago

> I just hope we can get past the era of people, and the media, being so outraged by everything.

When do you think that era started?

onetokeoverthe1y ago

Salem witch trials, degenerate art, red scare blacklists.

Many eras and errors.

Cyclical. Maybe the next gen will celebrate its version of dumb phones and acid.

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33 comments

anonzzzies1y ago

raxxor1y ago

I think the people most influenced be terrible influences by people like Musk are those that mirror this opinion.

mantas1y ago

EU as in some bureaucrats in Brussels ain't too happy. As a citizen of EU member, I'm pretty happy some little known societal control by non-elected bureaucrats is gone.

soco1y ago

tappaseater1y ago

mantas1y ago

If he wants to fight ever-coming-back EU chat supervising bill, more power to him. But I guess that's not about it :(

Pinegulf1y ago

Good. I want to know who think on these lines. Helps me to pick better company.

BitterCritter1y ago

I wonder what strange little people this rule was removed for. Sexism just stupefies me and I wonder how someone with the intelligence to breath could render such words.

mantas1y ago

Looks like there was no specific rule. But some so-called journalists tried to think of what some people they dislike might say now that a rule they like is gone.

BitterCritter1y ago

If a rule blocks someone from saying something then that rule is for that. There is a specific rule if they couldn’t say it before. What are you saying what does that mean?

rich_sasha1y ago

ChrisArchitect1y ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42621627

the_gipsy1y ago

olivergregory1y ago

He's an opportunist, always has been, always will be. Opportunists don't have sides: they roll all the times.

TechRemarker1y ago

chewz1y ago

October 7th happened...

The turning point had been last year when Zuckenberg explained to Congress that Administration forced Facebook to manipulate public opinion but he now regrets it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/unpacking-mark-zuckerbergs...

mcphage1y ago

> I thought they were the Democrat side, they had to testify in congress about it

Maybe you thought wrong.

the_gipsy1y ago

Are you saying they were pushing the same thing twitter / Musk does? Openly or secretely? Or that he just switched sides when convenient?

I genuinely want to understand this, I'm not american.

pyrale1y ago

"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them... well, I have others"

d3vmax1y ago

Asslicking the next admin to ban tiktok and create a moat.

mantas1y ago

Thank you CNN for bringing up creative ideas...

Oras1y ago

It’s not shame on any media making these article, it’s shame that there are people still reading this shitrag and similar shitrags.

raxxor1y ago

This is outrage bait and pretty low even for CNN.

Oras1y ago

They made a report showing alleged prisoner in Syria who turned to be an intelligent officer in Assad’s regime. So don’t expect any better.

Source https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/16/middleeast/syria-assad-pr...

astrange1y ago

Those two things certainly aren't in conflict, jailing your own people is pretty typical.

1 more reply

tledakis1y ago

Why do you say that? I checked the policy change and they have removed the literal "don't do this" example and the whole category above it.

Seeing as FB moderation was already lax on hate speech, do you think calling women 'household objects' will not be permitted in the future FB?

mantas1y ago

It was not lax, but bent in strange ways.

adastra221y ago

underseacables1y ago

I just hope we can get past the era of people, and the media, being so outraged by everything.

mcphage1y ago

> I just hope we can get past the era of people, and the media, being so outraged by everything.

When do you think that era started?

onetokeoverthe1y ago

Salem witch trials, degenerate art, red scare blacklists.

Many eras and errors.

Cyclical. Maybe the next gen will celebrate its version of dumb phones and acid.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse