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0 pointsmrayycombi1y ago0 comments

Microsoft has been breaking the law for years and was found guilty of antitrust violations, among others.

Bill Gates, the friendly philanthropist, was/is a business criminal. His company hasn't changed.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/microsoft-agrees-pay-20-milli...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_C....

They waged a war of "FUD" against open-source software.

https://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/57261/index.html

And so on.

And Google is hardly a saint either. "Do no evil" was just marketing from that surveillance advertising firm.

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philistine1y ago

At this point the events you’re describing are decades ago. To me they are as relevant to the Google and Microsoft of today as saying that Apple is not to be trusted because they messed up the Performa line.

Not irrelevant, but those company are faceless, far bigger, far more insidious than when the events you describe happened.

mrayycombiOP1y ago

It's only past history if they stop doing it.

If you try to download and install chrome they do the same visual obfuscation, hide the button, and deceptilink you to use their browser.

Nothing has changed bro. Open your eyes. They never repented.

pjmlp1y ago

Indeed starting by FOSS folks talking about the man, while complaining that no one from big tech returns anything, even though they play by the rules of the licensing.

philistine1y ago

> faceless, far bigger, far more insidious

My point is not that they're better. It's that they're faceless now, they no longer have the personality you ascribe to them.

tim3331y ago

Technically "Microsoft to pay $20 million in civil penalties" doesn't actually make the CEO a criminal in the legal sense.

Not saying he's a saint who's never done anything wrong but who is?

mrayycombiOP1y ago

Wow, everyone breaks the law sometimes....

Gosh. I guess we're all robber barons at heart.

I guess when PG&E legally ignores requirements to trim electrical lines and people die, well the CEO didn't get any criminal charges, so the dead can be comforted that being burned alive wasn't done by a "criminal" quote un quote.

We all cause people to die by our greed... sometimes.

Incipient1y ago

The majority of big business is built on varying degrees of fraud, bribery, nepotism, anti-competitive behaviour, etc.

It's just how business is done. If you don't get a leg up on your competitors, they'll get one up on you.

mrayycombiOP1y ago

A sad excuse for criminal conduct. Believe it or not there are lots of law abiding businesses, and companies that compete on quality, service, and price.

And even if that were an extreme minority (and I don't think it is) we should praise them as models instead of resigning ourselves to mediocre businesses using illegal tactics to control a market for super profits.

Incipient1y ago

I never said it was good.

I'm pretty awful at business because I always fix my mistakes for free and don't hide them behind fake "scope change" arguments that so many other vendors do.

I'm just saying the reality of it.

Also I don't think nepotism/giving work to friends is actually criminal in a lot of cases?

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0 pointsmrayycombi1y ago0 comments

Microsoft has been breaking the law for years and was found guilty of antitrust violations, among others.

Bill Gates, the friendly philanthropist, was/is a business criminal. His company hasn't changed.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/microsoft-agrees-pay-20-milli...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_C....

They waged a war of "FUD" against open-source software.

https://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/57261/index.html

And so on.

And Google is hardly a saint either. "Do no evil" was just marketing from that surveillance advertising firm.

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philistine1y ago

Not irrelevant, but those company are faceless, far bigger, far more insidious than when the events you describe happened.

mrayycombiOP1y ago

It's only past history if they stop doing it.

If you try to download and install chrome they do the same visual obfuscation, hide the button, and deceptilink you to use their browser.

Nothing has changed bro. Open your eyes. They never repented.

pjmlp1y ago

Indeed starting by FOSS folks talking about the man, while complaining that no one from big tech returns anything, even though they play by the rules of the licensing.

philistine1y ago

> faceless, far bigger, far more insidious

My point is not that they're better. It's that they're faceless now, they no longer have the personality you ascribe to them.

tim3331y ago

Technically "Microsoft to pay $20 million in civil penalties" doesn't actually make the CEO a criminal in the legal sense.

Not saying he's a saint who's never done anything wrong but who is?

mrayycombiOP1y ago

Wow, everyone breaks the law sometimes....

Gosh. I guess we're all robber barons at heart.

We all cause people to die by our greed... sometimes.

Incipient1y ago

The majority of big business is built on varying degrees of fraud, bribery, nepotism, anti-competitive behaviour, etc.

It's just how business is done. If you don't get a leg up on your competitors, they'll get one up on you.

mrayycombiOP1y ago

A sad excuse for criminal conduct. Believe it or not there are lots of law abiding businesses, and companies that compete on quality, service, and price.

Incipient1y ago

I never said it was good.

I'm pretty awful at business because I always fix my mistakes for free and don't hide them behind fake "scope change" arguments that so many other vendors do.

I'm just saying the reality of it.

Also I don't think nepotism/giving work to friends is actually criminal in a lot of cases?

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