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0 pointssteveBK1231y ago0 comments

Private passenger car driver is paying 12x Taxi toll / 6x Uber toll. Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider.

Why should it be cheaper to be chauffeured?

Also your average Taxi may not even cross into the CPZ 12x per day, so unclear we are making it up on volume either.

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Small correction, every ride that starts and/or ends in the zone incurs the fee so a taxi that enters, does 12 trips, then leaves pays the same amount as a private car even though they only entered the zone once.

dangus1y ago

There's still a per-ride citywide congestion fee baked into each Uber fare. So overall there are still more overall congestion taxes paid by the taxi/uber in your scenario.

steveBK123OP1y ago

That's great, but it's still too cheap

timr1y ago

> Why should it be cheaper to be chauffeured?

It isn't. It's vastly more expensive to ride in a taxi when you include the fare.

KevinGlass1y ago

It should be cheaper. No circling the block looking for parking, no space needed at all for that matter. That alone is worth giving taxis/ubers at least a different pricing structure.

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radicality1y ago

I don’t know about cheaper - this is already on top of the $2.75 per-ride NY State congestion fee. So now, if you take an Uber ride in NYC that’s even just a few blocks or few minutes long, it will be $2.75+$1.5 = $4.25 of just congestion fees for every ride.

recursive1y ago

Because there are fewer cars in the system for each chauffeured ride vs private vehicle.

steveBK123OP1y ago

Fewer cars "in the system" but same (or possibly more) cars on the road actively moving. Take a look at some of the dwell times for ride hail vehicles in NYC. Can easily approach 20-35%.

Plus the apps are kicking drivers out at various quiet periods of the day in order to avoid paying them minimum wage. So true empty time is higher.

Again I'm not arguing for better treatment for personal vehicles. I'm arguing all the fees are too low, and the ride hail fee egregiously so.

recursive1y ago

I don't know any of the science or research, but it still seems like it could possibly be a benefit. The increase in cars moving seems like it could be more than offset by the reduction in parking requirements. Those people taking private vehicles have to park them somewhere. More taxis means we can use some of that space for something useful instead.

xvedejas1y ago

> Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider.

Only partially right? Tax incidence depends on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply.

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enragedcacti1y ago

dangus1y ago

There's still a per-ride citywide congestion fee baked into each Uber fare. So overall there are still more overall congestion taxes paid by the taxi/uber in your scenario.

steveBK123OP1y ago

That's great, but it's still too cheap

timr1y ago

> Why should it be cheaper to be chauffeured?

It isn't. It's vastly more expensive to ride in a taxi when you include the fare.

KevinGlass1y ago

It should be cheaper. No circling the block looking for parking, no space needed at all for that matter. That alone is worth giving taxis/ubers at least a different pricing structure.

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radicality1y ago

recursive1y ago

Because there are fewer cars in the system for each chauffeured ride vs private vehicle.

steveBK123OP1y ago

Fewer cars "in the system" but same (or possibly more) cars on the road actively moving. Take a look at some of the dwell times for ride hail vehicles in NYC. Can easily approach 20-35%.

Plus the apps are kicking drivers out at various quiet periods of the day in order to avoid paying them minimum wage. So true empty time is higher.

Again I'm not arguing for better treatment for personal vehicles. I'm arguing all the fees are too low, and the ride hail fee egregiously so.

recursive1y ago

xvedejas1y ago

> Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider.

Only partially right? Tax incidence depends on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply.

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