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0 pointshighwaylights1y ago0 comments

It seems like an interesting project, but using Skia (or any canvas/GPU render) concerns me for a bunch of reasons, not unlike Flutter.

Have you given consideration to indexing, accessibility and durability when working the problem? These are often the critical features that are overlooked with these frameworks and if they’ve even thought about that it would set you ahead of several other attempts that have ignored them (and are therefore unfeasible for most use cases).

I don’t mean this to sound derisive, it’s intended to be constructive.

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nicoburns1y ago· 2 in thread

> Have you given consideration to indexing, accessibility and durability when working the problem?

This is actually a key area where we think we have an advantage over the competition. The model for Dioxus is to render to DOM on the web and only use the GPU renderer on native platforms (where we can integrate with system accessibility APIs directly).

The tradeoff for this is that our API on all platforms ends up being much closer to web APIs, our renderer has to implement a lot more of the web platform (e.g. we're shipping a full CSS engine, and using web-compatible Flexbox/CSS Grid for layout).

byw1y ago

> where we can integrate with system accessibility APIs directly

Is this something Flutter doesn't do?

One of the most jarring experiences I have with Flutter Desktop was it lacked MacOS Emacs-style key bindings for text editing (ctrl-a, ctrl-e, etc.). Not sure if Dioxus solved this?

nicoburns1y ago

> Is this something Flutter doesn't do?

Flutter does do this (at least to some extent) on Desktop/Mobile. It attempts to create a hidden DOM tree for accessibility on web. Which generally doesn't seem to be thought to work very well.

> One of the most jarring experiences I have with Flutter Desktop was it lacked MacOS Emacs-style key bindings for text editing (ctrl-a, ctrl-e, etc.). Not sure if Dioxus solved this?

Ah, we're nearly there on that one. We have a PR [0] accepted into Winit (the underlying windowing library we use) which will allow us to access those events. We're just waiting on Winit to do a new release and then we can integrate it into Dioxus.

[0]: https://github.com/rust-windowing/winit/pull/3824)

Svenskunganka1y ago

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but Dioxus does not use the canvas when rendering in the browser. It uses the DOM with CSS just like any other JavaScript framework does.

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