> Pointing out that the majority of programmers today have the mental equivalent of scurvy is somehow condescending

You can (and many people do!) say the exact same thing in a different tone and with different word choice and have people nod along in agreement. If you're finding that people consistently react negatively to you when you say it, please consider that it might be because of the way in which you say it.

I'm one of those who would normally nod along in agreement and writing in support, but your comments here make me want to disagree on principle because you come off as unbearably smug.

Knowing non-algol languages won't make editor actions any less useful for algol-like. If anything, it'll just make you pretend that you don't need such and as such will end up less productive than you could be.

And editor actions can be useful for any language which either allow you to edit things, or has more than one way to do the same thing (among a bunch of other things), which includes basically everything. Of course editor functionality isn't a thing that'd be 100% beneficial 100% of the time, but it's plenty above 0% if you don't purposefully ignore it.

Kinda feels like this might be an instance of simply simply holding your tools wrong. What about ASM prevents incremental parsing and structured editing from being useful?

Some concrete examples for us lesser mortals please.